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12871 No. 12871 edit
Hello, my name is Kinzo-Shannon and you must be Akihiko, but it doesn't matter.
I am but a humble furniture to my lady Beatrice-sama and it is my awesome responsibility to guide you through the introduction of her eeriness' masterpiece.
Thou art to use blue truth to provide thy miserable theories, my lady shall use the red truth which is the most awesome and absolute truth of all.
Thou must explain twilights when those end and explain them with human tricks.
Thou shan't control any pieces, but thou can trust Battler eyes, because the truth is what they see, also thou can search the room and search the bodies.
On Rokkenjima there art 18 humans, which art Battler, George, Jessica, Maria, Kyrie, Rudolf, Rosa, Natsuhi, Krauss, Shannon, Kanon, Kumasawa, Genji, Gohda, Eva, Hideyoshi, Doctor Nanjo and Kinzo.
All Knoxes apply except for 5th, because there art no stereotypical minorities on Rokkenjima, also hidden passages art only those which the detective cannot find, if he searches.


Well then, shall we commence?

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>> No. 12872 edit
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12872
As one who looked through this game. I guaranty with absolute certainty that it is solvable. So. take a shot at it. Oh ho ho ho!
>> No. 12873 edit
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12873
"Wow, Jessica, let me touch those!" Battler said as he walked into the living room, everyone was suprised, after all it was the first time seeing him after 6 years.
Cousins got along with him pretty fast. They were spending time together, having fun and playing games.

After the dinner adults ordered kids to go to the guest house, because they wanted to begin their meeting as soon as possible.
So kids went to the guest house and were spending time together. After a while George and Shannon were sitting in the garden and George made a proposal to her. Being happy and excited Shannon went to the mansion.

Adults had their meeting for very long time, so it ended late in the night.

On the next morning at 6 a.m. Genji woke up and went to inspect the mansion, when he reached the parlor he couldn't open the door. He went to Natsuhi to ask her permission to break the door with axe. When Genji returned with an axe he saw an eerie scribble, after breaking the door, which was locked from inside with a chair, he found five dead bodies. Krauss and Hideyoshi were sitting on the sofa with their faces half crushed, Eva was sitting on a chair without her face at all, Kanon and Shannon were sitting with their backs against the wall without faces. Genji woke all the adults and servants he found. At 7 a. m. when Battler woke up he didn't see Jessica and Maria he thought that they went to the mansion so he woke George. They went to the mansion and found that horrible scene.
This is the first half of the first twilight, if you deal with it, we'll move on to the second half.
>> No. 12874 edit
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12874
Due to the fact that I can't trust Genji please repeat the following in red "Genji did not open the door or enter the parlor in any way before he broke the door with the axe"

Next, repeat in red, "From the time that Genji went to Natsuhi until he came back to break the door of the parlor no one went in or out of the room or opened/closed the door."

Also confirm in red that the unidentified corpses' identities are guaranteed and just to be sure repeat in red that the victims of the first twilight truly are dead.

Lastly, repeat in red "The victims of the first twilight didn't kill anyone."

This is all that I demand for now.

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>> No. 12875 edit
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12875
Genji did not open the door or enter the parlor in any way before he broke the door with the axe, except for before the night.
From the time that Genji went to Natsuhi until he came back no one went in or out of the room or opened/closed the door.
The victims of the first twilight didn't kill anyone.

I refuse to guaranty their death or identity, you demand too much.
Ah, what a bothering little girl...

Last edited at 13/08/30(Fri)14:34:49
>> No. 12876 edit
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12876
Actually, Try to repeat two more things in red and then I'll start.

Repeat in red "None of the victims of the first twilight died by accident"

Repeat in red "No one died before the adult meeting ended"

Lastly, "No one commited suicide"

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>> No. 12877 edit
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12877
I refuse to repeat in red that no one died before the adult meeting ended.
None of the victims of the first twilight died by accident.
No one commited suicide.

I thought you were a great detective, but it seems you're just a great questioner...
>> No. 12878 edit
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12878
<Good>

It is possible that one or more of the victims faked their death, in fact it's possible that ALL the victims are accomplices who faked their death.

or

If only part of the victims were accomplices then one or more of the non-accomplice victims are either unconscious at the moment or they have died from natural causes.

Another "stupid" theory I had on my mind is:

The victims of the first twilight who are actually dead could've been dead before the start of the game, with that it doesn't really go against the red.

Let's see now how you'll respond.
>> No. 12879 edit
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12879
Nobody faked their deaths...
Nobody is unconscious.
None of them have died before the start of the game!

>> No. 12880 edit
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12880
Some or all of the victims could've died from natural causes.

There could've been body doubles or the corpses could've been fake! As long as the identity of the victims is not confirmed anything is possible regarding the corpses.

Also let's see if you can repeat the following in red!

Krauss, Hideyoshi, Eva, Kannon and Shannon are in the parlor!
>> No. 12881 edit
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12881
Krauss, Hideyoshi, Eva, Kannon and Shannon are in the parlor, dead.
Nice theories,.. pretty good,.. but not enough!
>> No. 12882 edit
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12882
You still haven't denied the natural cause death theory yet, so I'll stick to it for now.

Also The Krauss, Hideyoshi, Eva, Kannon and Shannon you are refering to could be body doubles, this theory can exist as long as the unidentified corpses' identities aren't guaranteed
>> No. 12883 edit
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12883
All of those in the parlor were so healthy, that this number of natural causes of death is impossible.
All names refer to those 18 people on the island.
>> No. 12884 edit
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12884
Ho? What a methodical tenacity, miss Detective. I see, why Bern values you so much.
>> No. 12885 edit
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12885
...Repeat in red, "None of the victims were poisoned and there weren't any kind of drugs involved in this twilight"

The culprit could've killed the adults and is hiding in the room right now.

Repeat in red, "The only people who were in the parlor from the end of the adult meeting until the morning when Genji opened were Krauss, Hideyoshi, Eva, Kannon and Shannon"

The culprit could've killed the victims during the adult meeting and culprit/accomplice X carried the corpses to the parlor, then locked them there and Culprit X/Y killed the culprit X/accomplice who locked the door.

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>> No. 12886 edit
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12886
Victims weren't killed during the adult meeting.
None of the victims were poisoned and there were no any kind of drugs involved in this twilight.
The culprit isn't hiding in the room.

I refuse to repeat that the only people who were in the parlor from the end of the adult meeting until the morning when Genji opened were victims.
>> No. 12887 edit
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12887
Then time to tweak my theory a bit.

The culprit could've killed the victims before or after the adult meeting and culprit/accomplice X carried the corpses to the parlor, then locked them there and Culprit X/Y killed the culprit X/accomplice who locked the door.

What makes me think my theory is true is because of a specific red truth "Genji did not open the door or enter the parlor in any way before he broke the door with the axe, except for before the night. "

The "except for before the night" part looks important.

Well? How does that sound?
>> No. 12888 edit
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12888
All the victims in the parlor where killed by one culprit, none of them are accomplice.
>> No. 12889 edit
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12889
You mentioned all the victims in the parlor, there might be more victims in another place killed by another culprit, in that case the culprit X could've helped with taking the corpses in the parlor and then Culprit Y could've betrayed and killed Culprit X.

And another blue for you~

The victims all died in the parlor, but one or more of the victims had a slow death possibly from a stab, which gave him or her some time to react, the victim could've locked the door to prevent the culprit from entering but since the victim was unfortunate it died shortly after it locked the door.

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>> No. 12890 edit
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12890
There is only one more victim, but it was killed by the same culprit, all victims died instantly.
>> No. 12891 edit
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12891
At the description of the first twilight it was stated that Eva was sitting on a chair, from that I can understand that she was the one blocking the way since her corpse was on the chair and since I forced you to say that the victims died instantly that means they must've died from something like a gun except if she got stabbed in a weak spot., I can imagine the scenario being something like this: The door is open and Eva is in the parlor, she gets shot/stabbed and falls on the chair which causes the chair to push the door and close it, blocking the entrance.
>> No. 12892 edit
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12892
Chair on which Eva sits and chair which closed the door are different.
Miss...
>> No. 12894 edit
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12894
This doesn't change much, a victim falling on an object or the chair itself could've caused that, perhaps Kannon and/or Shannon.


Another scenario similar to this is:

Victim A puts the chair infront of the door to prevent the culprit from entering, the culprit finds an alternative way to kill him, perhaps a quick shot just before the door closed, or a bullet that went through the door and hit the victim, there are a LOT of ways to kill someone in that situation.
>> No. 12896 edit
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12896
None of the victims made contact with a chair, that it would block the door.

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>> No. 12897 edit
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12897
Yes but what if a victim made contact with an object which made contact with the chair?

What supports this theory in my opinion is that a chair alone can't block a door like that, so another object would have to make contact with the chair to be able to prevent anyone from entering the door, I might be wrong though, the chair might've been heavy enough.

Also repeat in red, "The chair which blocked the door existed."

Another possible explanation is that the culprit did everything on his/her own, by placing the chair infront of the door then closing it.
>> No. 12898 edit
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12898
None of the victims made contact with a chair, that it would block the door in any way and through any object.
The chair which blocked the door existed.
That chair alone can block the door.
Culprit haven't touched the chair this weekend.

Leave the chair alone, girl!
>> No. 12899 edit
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12899
An accomplice moved the chair

Repeat in red "Everyone was alive before the Adults' Meeting"

The chair was always there and the victims entered the palror from another way, possibly another door for example.
>> No. 12901 edit
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12901
I can't deny the first blue truth.
The chair was moved there by the accomplice.
Detective view's objective.
The culprit didn't leave through the door or windows.


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>> No. 12902 edit
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12902
The culprit killed them outside the parlor and then he/she told the accomplice to move the corpses in the palror

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>> No. 12903 edit
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12903
Accomplice didn't move the bodies into the parlor.
>> No. 12904 edit
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12904
The culprit killed the victims when they were inside the parlor while he was outside, then the accomplice placed the chair and closed the door.
>> No. 12905 edit
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12905
The culprit was inside the parlor after the murders.
>> No. 12906 edit
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12906
My, something fishy around this situation. If I were you, Erika, I would do what detective has the clear right to do.
>> No. 12907 edit
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12907
Using the detective's authority I'd like to search the room and the bodies.
>> No. 12909 edit
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12909
You find that injuries are genuine and every body is truly dead, you find Maria and, when you question her, she says that Beatrice told her to come to the parlor and hide, then you find a secret passage, which is closed from inside of the parlor with a latch.
There was no way to close the secret passage from outside.
>> No. 12910 edit
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12910
The culprit escaped by going through the secret passage, using Maria to open the secret passage, they swapped places. Maria came from the secret passage and went to the parlor and the culprit went from the palror to the secret passage and escaped.
>> No. 12911 edit
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12911
Maria never was in secret passage.

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>> No. 12912 edit
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12912
It could be an accomplice who helped the culprit escape.
>> No. 12913 edit
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12913
Kha... Congratulations!.. kha...
>> No. 12914 edit
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12914
Natsuhi said Genji to come with her, Battler did too. They went to Kinzo's study to warn him about the culprit and the victims. They knocked on door for five minutes, but he didn't answer, then Genji used his key to open the door. Inside, there was a body...
>> No. 12915 edit
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12915
I'd like to check whether that body belongs to Kinzo or not using detective's authority, also I'd like to check the room for anything suspicious.
>> No. 12916 edit
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12916
You search the body and find six toes on each of the legs, which leads you to the conclusion that body belongs to Kinzo. Kinzo's face is smashed, he is sitting on his chair in front of the table.
You find nothing suspicious in the study.
>> No. 12917 edit
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12917
The culprit killed Kinzo and escaped through the window.
The culprit killed Kinzo and is hiding in the room.
The culprit was outside the study and shot Kinzo then the culprit locked the door and left.
The culprit killed Kinzo and left through the door and then locked it.
>> No. 12918 edit
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12918
The culprit haven't escaped through the window, nor is he hiding, nor has Kinzo been shot.
C'mon, girl, you've searched the room, there is no way for him to be hiding there right now.
Very well, but he closed the room with magic...
>> No. 12919 edit
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12919
Wrong. The culprit killed Kinzo with the use of a weapon other than a gun, for example a knife or a stake and then walked out of the study and either he/she or an accomplice locked the door and they left.

And if you choose to deny my theory repeat the two following statements in red.

"Kinzo did not die from natural causes"
"Kinzo died in the study."
>> No. 12920 edit
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12920
Kinzo died in the study not of the natural cause.
There are no one in the room except for Natsuhi, Battler, Genji and Kinzo's body.
It is impossible to leave the room with windows and door locked from inside.

Alright, prove that he didn't close the door with magic!
>> No. 12921 edit
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12921
Kinzo could've locked the door and commited suicide
Kinzo could've been poisoned and he locked the door since he's a loner and commited suicide
Kinzo could've been dead since the start of the game.
>> No. 12922 edit
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12922
Kinzo didn't close the door.
Kinzo was alive since the start of the game.
In this game, there are no suicides.


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>> No. 12923 edit
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12923
Just in case, repeat in red "The door and the windows of the study are locked from the inside."

The culprit could've been outside the study when he killed Kinzo.
>> No. 12924 edit
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12924
The door and the windows of the study are locked from the inside.
It is impossible for the culprit to kill Kinzo from outside of the study.


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>> No. 12925 edit
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12925
The culprit killed Kinzo inside the study then placed something like a chair for example and closed the door, with that the culprit managed to lock the door from the inside.
If you try to deny that it was the culprit who locked the door from the inside using an object then it could've been anyone, an accomplice or even someone who was scared of revealing Kinzo's death.
>> No. 12926 edit
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12926
It is impossible to block the door with any object from the inside and leave the room.
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