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I’m opening a new game for anyone who wishes to try and solve it. The more the merrier.

This game is slightly different than most of my gameboards but will be fairly simple. This thread will act as the tearoom and I will dictate what is happening on the gameboard level. After I make a post with [Discussion Open] in it you will be allowed to post your thoughts and ask me questions.

During this time you may even make blue theories however just like in the novel I won’t be obligated to answer in until the end of the game where you will be tasked to explain all the mysteries. I ask you don’t write up a huge analysis in one post for the discussion segments so we can address individual points more easily.

I will post [End of Discussion] once we have decided to move on and I will continue posting the rest of the story until the next one or the end of the game. As you can expect the goal is simple but traditional; you have to explain the events on the gameboard using humans means before the end of the final debate.

There will likely be a real life time-limit to the final debate in order to prevent the game from dragging on too long. The pain of not knowing the answer will continue if you fail to solve it.

The difficulty is… well I usually only make one of those for serious games. This game is very loose to say the least.

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The first part will be posted in the upcoming days.
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It was a cloudy day on Rokkenjima. Truly a shame, for the Ushiromiya family conference was to take place later that night. Natsuhi looked out the window worried. From the corner of her eye Genji came down the hall and she turned to address him.

“Genji… is father…”

Genji gave his characteristically solemn look and responded “Nanjo says his mind is… starting to go… His health is no better.”

“I see…” Natsuhi held her head low and looked out the window once more before continuing, “Tell my husband right away. We need to be ready for when the others arrive.”

“Understood.”

The two parted and above on the top floor the old doctor and his friend continued their conversation.

“You were always stubborn. Nothing I say will make you move then?” Nanjo said.

Kinzo let a weak laugh fall from his lips, “Of course… If I am to perish it will be here… on this island.” He lifted his goblet and took a swig. “Even if you could prolong the inevitable I would be trapped in some hospital. I will live out my last few weeks here. Or maybe months… How long ago did you say I only had months anyway?”

“That was a year ago,” Nanjo gave a small smile.

He chuckled. “I proved you wrong once… I can do it again.” Kinzo walked over to the side of the study staring at the portrait of the blonde haired women. Nanjo was used to this response and took it as his time to leave. As the door clicked open Nanjo could hear the soft whisper of her name over and over…
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“Woooah!” Battler yelled as he almost tipped over the edge of the boat.

The other family members were well on their way to the island with it finally being in sight. The cousins were on the deck laughing at Battler’s pitiful display.

“Have you really grown up Battler? If anything you look like the youngest here now!” Jessica mocked.

Maria giggled at this and joined in with the teasing “Uu-uu, Battler is human trash.”

“Wow! What the! When did you get such a foul mouth Maria?” Battler said shocked. Jessica and George tried to calm Maria down. Apparently someone had been watching too much TV unsupervised.

“You know Jessica,” Battler continued after they dealt with Maria. “Don’t think you can use this to act superior. I wouldn’t say you are mature either… at least personality wise.” Battler decided to leave out that last part.

“I don’t think there is anything to argue. Isn’t that right George?”

“Ahah, I think I will say neutral in this discussion.” he said.

Battler stuck his finger out at Jessica. “Then how about love. Have you climbed the stairs to adulthood yet. Do have a sweetheart?” he said with a purposely vulgar laugh.

“Eh?” was all that Jessica said as her response. Battler didn’t miss this.

“Ohhhhhh, so you do! Well well well!”

“No! I mean… it’s not... “ Jessica tried to explain but was completely flustered. She turned to George trying to change the topic. “How about you George?”

“I’m too busy for that sort of thing. All nighters, being forced to drink with clients, working at my father’s company has been keeping me busy.”

Maria chirped up, “So grown up! Uu-uu!”

Jessica and Battler stood there and looked at each other. Maria’s words had made them realise the true winner. They then proceeded to comically pray and bow to George as a god of adulthood while Maria danced around them.
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“Here take my hand,” Hideyoshi said while reaching out to his wife.

“...Thank you dear,” Eva took his hand and he helped her up the steps. Up ahead the other adults were being led by Genji through the winding forest trail.

“Genji,” Rudolf said, “Do you know how the old guy is feeling today?”

“Not well. He may not be able to visit tonight.”

Rudolf exchanged a glance of “As expected” to Kyrie who was walking slightly behind him. He gave a look to Rosa who nodded back.

The group traveled up to the garden and eventually into the mansion. The cousins stopped to mess with the roses after Maria made a fuss about something.

“Here you go, I brought some herbal tea from my trip to Bali,” Rosa said while holding them up to Natsuhi. “Apparently they help with stress and fatigue, or so I’ve been told.”

“Thank you…,” Natsuhi let Kumasawa take the tea from Rosa. At this time Krauss came down from the staircase and greeted the family.

“Supper will be ready shortly. We can talk in the parlor until then,” he said curtly.
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The family gathered and talked shortly before moving into the dining room for supper. Rosa had to go get Maria who had been left in the garden. After dinner had finished Maria revealed a letter claiming she received it from Beatrice…

“Is this your scheme Krauss?” Eva scowled. The dining room was in an uproar with the letter announcing the witch taking back the interest Kinzo owed her and the usual.

“I would ask you the same thing! Genji, this seal…”

“Yes… it is the head’s,” Genji replied.

The mood had turned sour and with it the dessert lost its appeal to the adults. The servants and cousins were left in the dining room as the adults and Genji decided to try and talk to Kinzo themselves.

“Man,“ Battler said “And here I thought I was glad to be back.” He scooped up some the dessert and put it in his mouth. “Wait… I take it back. I think this alone might have made it worth it.” He gestured to Jessica trying to ease the mood.

Gohda who had looked disappointed he couldn’t show off quickly swooped in and started explaining to Battler everything he could about the dish.

Nanjo shifted from his seat and got up, “I think I will take my leave too. I will be in the guesthouse if anyone needs me.”

“Alright, we will come over in a while.” George said as Nanjo left the room passing by Battler who was being overpowered by Gohda’s rambling.
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The assault on Kinzo’s study was a failure. The adults returned to the parlor afterwards and began discussing the inheritance. The cousins had returned to the guesthouse and everyone eventually went to sleep. However in the study Kinzo was still stirring, galvanized by the insolence of his children.

“Fools, the bunch of them. Squabbling over my fortune like the vultures they are. What a joke...” Kinzo looked over his study and eventually rested his eyes on the chessboard. The pieces had been rearranged since Nanjo was in the room. Only the queen on the black side and eighteen pieces on the white.

“Well, if they want to joke around that much I will show them how to really do it…”
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The morning came with the clouds still blocking out the sun. As the storm dropped rain onto Rokkenjima it slowly became clear something was wrong.

“All of them?” Krauss asked standing near the top of the stairs.

“Yes,” Genji said “All of the servant keys seem to be missing. I placed them in the key box the night before. There is one other thing...”

“Yes? What is it?”

“Kanon and Shannon never reported in. I don’t suppose you have seen them. Kumasawa is currently looking but we haven’t located them.”

“No I haven’t… If they are responsible then send them to me at once. If you cannot find them try to have Gohda prepare breakfast as well as possible.”

Genji bowed before leaving, but bowed again to someone behind Krauss. As Genji left he saw Natsuhi come out of her room and he took this time to tell her about these developments. He had enough to worry about and now something like this had to happen...
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The cousins had made their way to the mansion. There they saw Eva and Hideyoshi talking to Genji in the main hall. From their expressions you could tell something wasn’t quite right. Before the cousins could ask they quickly moved off down one of the halls. With curious minds the group followed them.

The destination was the boiler room. And there tucked in the corner was a door plastered with a sticky red circle. Kumasawa was also there taken aback at the seen.

“It was like this when Kumasawa found it,” Genji said “The keys for rooms also are missing.”

“Do what you must,” Eva said. She turned to see the cousins there and asked, “Did any of you see Dr. Nanjo this morning at the guesthouse?”

“No we didn’t… what is in there anyway?” Battler asked.

Genji answered before walking deeper into the boiler room, “It contains everything for the electricity for the mansion. One year the rain caused water damage and the master took extra precautions to make sure it never happened again.”

The group was told Rudolf, Kyrie, and Rosa are missing too. Genji came back with a cutting torch and mask. He said with no key this is the only way to get inside the room so with permission he would try to cut through. After telling everyone to take the proper precautions to guard their eyes he started.

Sparks began flying. The boiler room was a dark room filled with pipes, machines, and boxes. Because of the darkness and tight quarters the room was quickly filled with flashes of light and sound. After a while he managed to finish and with a pull the door opened.
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Inside were two bodies to the side leaning against the wall. While the visibility was low it became clear it was Kanon and Shannon by their outfits. However as the light was flicked on it was revealed their faces were missing! As if someone ripped them off!

Shock, horror, gagging, tears. The group had to react to the situation in front of them.

“What the hell is going on?” Battler muttered.

“K-Kanon!” Jessica had fallen to her knees in shock at the sight and Hideyoshi was lending a shoulder to Eva as he too struggled not to be sick.

“Is that…” George pointed next to Kanon’s body. There was a pile of keys and behind the bodies was yet another door with the red circle. Genji went up and inspected the keys.

“It is all five of the servant keys… and this one. It’s one of the keys to this part of the boiler room. However... it is Key C for the circuit breaker box. I am going to have to cut this door open too.”

They covered up the bodies with a sheet and Genji once again started his work.
When this door opened, a familiar site was unveiled. In one corner were two bodies belonging to Rudolf and Kyrie. Battler staggered forward.

“This has to be some kind of joke…” As Battler got closer he could see their faces were gone just like Kanon and Shannon. The rooms were similar to the rest of the boiler room with boxes and shelves used mostly for storage. However this one had what looked like a small room that jutted from the wall.

George bent down and picked up another key found in the room. It had the label B just like the C key Genji found.

“The B key is for the door I just cut. In other words the room we are currently in.” Genji told them.

The door to the part that jutted out also had a red circle on it. With everyone grasping the situation Genji once again began cutting the door.

The door opened with sloppy squishing sounds as the bodies of Dr. Nanjo and Rosa fell out. At this point you didn’t even have to tell the group what their faces looked like. Battler looked inside and found the same situation they had found the last two times. Although this room had the circuit breaker the contents were two bodies and Key A; the key for the first door they cut down.

Not knowing what to do the bodies were covered and the main door was locked so the police could investigate. They returned back to Kumasawa and Maria who were told to stay in the main boiler room. Genji was tasked to make the phone call, and everyone else headed to the parlor.
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[Discussion Open]

And that is the first part. What do you think?

It has been a while since I have played on the witch side but hopefully it all goes well.
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>>20570

Hoh...a new game? Surely I must post!

We'll keep it simple to start. I'll also be a bit more informal, as this is a looser game and a starting discussion.

I imagine there's the usual bit of no extra keys, no duplicates, and whatnot? Secondly, would the master keys open doors A, B, and C, or would you need to use the keys for those doors specifically?
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>>20571
I think you are already somewhat informal whenever you play.

In any case, the master keys are technically duplicates of each other... but as far as that part of the boiler room is concerned those are the only keys.

Genji should have confirmed it so I will give you that. The master keys do not work on the locks in the boiler room. There are only three keys to that section of the boiler room.
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I'm new to this, but excited to try.

There are a lot of ways to attack the first twilight with tricks we have already seen, such as adding keys after the room is broken into, culprits hiding within rooms and waiting for people to break in, or other passageways into the boiler room.

Also, without a reliable perspective, it's easy to dismiss anything we see.
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>>20573
You got me, the truth is that they are all actually in Hinamizawa. One too many drinks if you know what I mean.

But yes if you think one of those classics fits the bill tell me more.

Although I think the others would be shocked if I actually used a hidden passage in this situation.
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Since I'm new here, let's try to make a good impression.
The narrator never stated that the doors were truly locked, maybe the door to room 1 was locked but it's never stated that the rest of the doors were locked.
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>>20574

The easiest way to create this situation would be for Genji to simply add one of the keys to the boiler room to the collection of master keys. This trick is possible even if everyone is keeping a dutiful eye, because the human mind can't immediately differentiate between 5 and 6 objects.
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>>20575
Welcome x2.

True, if the room just was not locked then it would be quite simple. The doors were all locked.

>>20576
You make a good point with the pile of keys.

Although that said, it was the key to the circuit breaker. So planting that key wouldn't be very helpful explaining the rest of the room.
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The labels on the keys were changed, making it look like key B is actually Key A, etc
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>>20578
You weren't the only one who was considering this.

The labels on the keys were never swapped. The keys are all the ones Genji said they are.
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>>20579

Not quite ready for a blue on this one yet, but was there any sign of any kind of weapon/tool/animal that could have done the damage to the faces?

Furthermore, any obvious signs of what might have caused their deaths aside from losing face? (The joke was there, it called out to me...)
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>>20580
>animal
They weren't able to find anything in the boiler room at least.

The face lift probably would look like a messy job. Almost like it was ground down by something.
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Repeat it in red: the closed room was not constructed using magic!
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>>20582
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Yeah, I thought so, dirty witch.
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Does this game uses Knox's 4th Decalogue ?
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>>20585
Well how else would you be able to explain it with human means?

After all If I said "a drug nobody had ever heard of was used" it sounds pretty magical.
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Just letting you know I'm also watching this. Not much to say yet, leaving some to new people etc.

...Though I do find it funny how Genji cut door C even though they supposedly had the key for it at that point.
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>>20586

Hmm. Three doors to prevent water damage, eh? That alone may not be enough.

There were grates in the floor, which would allow water to drain out or muderers/keys to drain IN!
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>>20587
Sharp eyes, let's say everyone was in shock and forgot to. It doesn't ruin anything either way.

>>20588
There would be drains, but No keys passed through them. Of course they wouldn't be large enough for a human to fit through either. Unless you really wouldn't put it past Kinzo.
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Someone could have put the key next to the corpses without anyone noticing, for example,
when battler got closer to see his parents face

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>>20590
Perhaps Battler could have put one, but the other keys pose an issue. Unless of course you want to suspect Battler, George, and Genji were all in on it and each placed the keys they found.
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>>20591

Then repeat it in red: After the murder all the keys that were in the boiler room were never moved until Genji broke the door
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>>20592
I refuse. I won't explain why.
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Let me throw in something basic.

Kinzo's extra precautions included giving the doors autolocks so nobody would accidentally leave them open.
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>>20594
That would have been interesting. There are no autolocks on the boiler room doors.
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The doors could be unlocked without the keys found in the boiler room with some mechanism that Kinzo created one year ago
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>>20560
Repeat it in red: 'None of the three rooms can be locked without a key.'
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>>20596
>>20597
Wouldn't put it past Kinzo right? Normally you would expect a typical deadbolt but I guess he was extra careful.

Each door can only be locked with the their respectful keys.

Probably will close discussion tomorrow so we can move on.
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Genji mentions damage being done to the wiring. I argue that damage was also done to the circut breaker box (in room 3) and that at the time of the crime, it didn't actually hold the circut breakers the mansion was using - they were somewhere else, having been moved as a precaution of Kinzo's. It's also a fairly big mansion, so there would've been a lot of circut breakers there - meaning it was a fairly big box. Therefore:

The culprit threw Key C into room 1, locked room 2 with Key B (left key B in the room), and went into room 3 (left key A in the room), then hid in the circut breaker box (which would've been big enough to fit a person), and which was never actually established to have been locked to begin with. They either stayed there or there was a secret hole hidden in it that allowed them to escape (potentially another damage caused by the water damage?)

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Even if you said it that each door can only be locked with the their respectful keys, that doesn't mean that the doors couldn't be unlocked without the keys.

That means that some device that was constructed to stop the flood in the room 1, 2 and 3 that can unlock the doors without needing a key

It's not a autolock if the only thing it can do is unlock the door

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>>20599
>>20600
Hmm, everyone is a big fan of renovations I see... I think I will leave these two for later.

The next part will be posted in the upcoming days.

[End of Discussion]
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Jessica, Maria, George, Battler, Hideyoshi, and Eva all gathered into the parlor. Genji had gone off to call the police and Kumasawa was tasked to getting Krauss and Natsuhi.

The parlor was chilled with the rain slowly pattering on the windows. Jessica and Battler slumped down onto the couch and Maria had gone over to watch some TV clearly not being able to grasp the situation. George looked at them, and then back to his parents who were trying to make sense of the situation.

“We can’t just sit around here like this.” Eva said. “When Genji gets back need to get him to take us to father.”

“I haven’t seen that new chef either. We should stop by the kitchen too…” Hideyoshi added.

George looked back to the others and noticed Battler was shaking. He reached his hand out and was about to say something when saw that he wasn’t crying, but was shaking with rage.

“I’m going to find them… The bastard who did this… I swear it…”

Eventually Kumasawa came back looking quite worried.

“I couldn’t find them anywhere, however I noticed Natsuhi’s door was locked.” She said. Eva had decided to hold onto the keys herself so Kumasawa was coming back to ask for assistance.

At this time Genji also returned and informed the group the phone lines are down. Before heading to the study they decided to have Hideyoshi, Jessica, Genji, and Maria go to find Gohda while Battler, Eva, Kumasawa, and George went to find Natsuhi and Krauss.
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Battler’s group climbed up the stairs to the second floor and when reaching it Kumasawa let out a small gasp while looking towards Natsuhi room. The door seemed to be slightly ajar.

“I swear it was locked just a moment ago!” she said.

“Maybe you were just tired and mistook it.” George suggested trying to lighten the mood.

Battler walked over to the door, “Or maybe the culprit was hiding in the room…”

With that said he slowly pushed the door open cautiously as the rest of their group was behind him. Inside the room was a large blood splatter on the ground in the middle. There was a dresser and cabinet along the wall to the right. The door to a closet next to them. In the top left corner was a large bed that wasn’t made. Opposite the door was a window, and to the left was a door to a bathroom. George took a closer look at the door’s lock which seems to be a typical deadbolt and above it a normal chain lock.

George turned to the old servant. “Kumasawa, you said the door was locked right? You must have meant the door itself and not just the chain since you wanted a key.”

“Yes... that is right.”

Battler went over to check the blood and window while George went over to the bathroom door and opened it. Inside was the body of Natsuhi in a bathtub almost overflowing with water. The key to her room in the sink. The bathroom itself didn’t have much else to note.

“She must have been drowned,” George concluded taking a closer look at the corpse. “So that blood must be…”

“Krauss,” Battler finished. Eva was checking under the bed and in the closet while Kumasawa was leaning against the door frame. Battler checked the window looking out into the courtyard and saw it was locked.

“That, or he is the one responsible…” Eva said.

“Woah hold on. You think he did all this?” Battler asked incredulously.

“Well in any case we should head back to the other group,” George said quick to intervene.

They eventually decided that to be the best option and left to the ground floor once again.
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The group returned to the first floor and headed in the direction of the kitchen. As they did they noticed… something smelled. They continued on their way to regroup with the others and turning the corner to the hall they saw them about to enter the boiler room. It was clear now this was where the smell was coming from. Unlike their group it looked like they were successful in finding their target.

“Oh this is just terrible!” Gohda yammered at the back of their group. “I can’t believe it. I was just making breakfast when this was happening. How could this happen!”

Most people were just letting him freak out. It was then Jessica spoke up, “...Where is mom and dad?”

With careful words George broke it to her. Jessica’s stifled tears filled the halls while she cried into her hands. After a while the group decided they should get to the bottom of the smell and reentered the boiler room.
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Nothing looked particularly different, but soon enough they found the source; the incinerator. After letting it cool they opened the hatch and found a partially charred corpse. The clothing and surface layer were all burnt black but between the cracks plasma and still leaked from the body.

“Going by process of elimination… this must be grandfather or Krauss” Battler said as taking a better look.

“If you check the toes you might be able to tell,” Genji said while explaining Kinzo’s polydactyly.

George bent down to take a look as well, “Only five… So this is uncle Krauss.” He also went over to the door to the courtyard and checked to find it locked.

“So after killing them in Natsuhi’s room they were going to take the body down here before Kumasawa saw them. Then after she left they took the body elsewhere and waited for us to go into the room so they could come down here.” Battler concluded.

However Hideyoshi objected, “Wait a moment, that doesn’t make any sense. Part of our group never actually entered the kitchen. So they would have noticed if someone was carrying a body through the hall! Isn’t that right?” he looked to Genji and Jessica who agreed.

The kitchen door and the one to the boiler room is in the same stretch of hallway. Apparently Genji and Jessica stood in the hallway while they went to get Gohda.

“Wait… but then how…” Battler held his hand up to his chin thinking. At this time George found a key in the incinerator and while a bit singed still looked usable.

“That’s the other key to the study,” Genji explained.

The group decided it was best to go to the study. Both to check on Kinzo and for potential protection.
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A solid click unlocked the door to Kinzo’s study and the group cautiously poured in. It soon became clear after calling out and then searching the area that Kinzo was nowhere to be found.

“So he is missing, the culprit, or dead.” Battler said.

“The master is a bit… eccentric.” Kumasawa said “It isn’t impossible that he is out on a stroll.”

“In this weather?” Battler asked while raising an eyebrow.

“Knowing him, I wouldn’t put it past father…” Eva muttered.

They decided to hold up here for now and were able to find Kinzo’s gun collection. Eva and Hideyoshi took two of the guns and loaded them up. Everyone was sitting around mostly in silence although Battler had gotten bored and started looking through some of the books on the shelf.

Knock Knock

Like a gunshot went off everyone suddenly reacted. Heads snapping to look at the door. Eva quick to raise her gun.

“Who is there!” she yelled. Nobody in the study said anything. They were all trying to strain their ears to catch whatever sound came next.

No response.

“Father? Is that you?” Eva asked once again. She motioned to Hideyoshi who grabbed his gun and he started walking closer to the door. Eva had the servants come for help and while following Hideyoshi they walked past the cousins who were sitting at the table.

Everyone’s eyes were fixed on the door, waiting if there was any movement. After still no response Hideyoshi prepared to yank the door open and everyone got into position. He gestured a countdown.

3… 2… 1…

Guns raised and trusted through the doorway into the hallway. Only to find it as barren as they had left it. Eva looked around the corner, no one. Not a sound or footstep heard in the hall. Just the steady patter of the rain like usual.
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The tension was not undone however since the moment they closed the door and turned their backs on it Eva stopped, and then raised her gun.

“George. Come over here,” she said with a cold, fearful tone.

The cousins and George were confused. “What are you doing mom?” Following her line of sight the cousins quickly saw a letter on the table where they were sitting. Just like the one supposedly from the witch with Kinzo’s seal on it.

“When we walked by that letter wasn’t there. I don’t know if they are responsible or just helping but you need to come over here George.”

“Woah just wait a second aunt Eva,” Battler said with a unconvincing laugh “Come on do you really think any of us would do this?”

“I don’t know Battler, what exactly do we know about you? You have grown up so much I couldn’t even recognise you…”

“Wha-” Battler started. His face twisting into an emotion of betrayal.

“All I know is you Jessica and Maria can’t stay here. If you won’t leave then we will force you out. ”

George stood up and went in between them, “If they go so do I.”

“Don’t be silly George. Listen to your mother now.”

George didn’t move. Eva raised her gun further as if to make some sort of point. Hideyoshi put his hand on her shoulder and her face softened for a moment. The servants seemed to have no real issue being on the "better safe than sorry" path and didn’t intervene.

George was given a gun and left the study with Battler, Jessica, and Maria. The parlor was their destination.
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[Discussion Open]

Sorry about that wait. I imagine the next one shouldn't take as long.
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It's fine.
I guess the interesting thing about this one is how many people seem to have an alibi for it. Something to think about later.

Still if we ignore that part then the simple theory is:
Krauss was brought down before people were near the kitchen. In other words, before Kumasawa even witnessed the locked door, which was caused by the culprit returning to the crime scene for one reason or another.
After that they just left again.


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>>20609
That is a fair point. On a side note I think I noticed something I should clarify.

The the door to the parlor, boiler room, and kitchen are all in the same hallway in that order. The group would have noticed someone pass the parlor when they were gathered there.

So you can see each of the doors by simply looking down the hall.
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Hmm.

The narrative itself gives us a solution to Natsuhi's room. Kumasawa could've been mistaken, lied, or the culprit could've been in the room when she showed up and left later right afterwards. There's no real issue there at the moment.

Somewhat a similar situation with the boiler room incident, since you have yet to deny the existence of a secret passage, such as the one I'd suggested in my last theory.
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>>20611
I suppose having passages up in the air is a bit too much. Gives too much room to work with.

There are no secret passages in the entirety of the mansion.

Although I don't have much to say about Kumasawa.
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You can see in the map that the boiler room has 2 doors. One door leads to the hallway but what about the other door?
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>>20613
The courtyard, just like in Umineko.
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Can you lock the door to the courtyard without a key ?
>> No. 20643 edit
To confirm, are master keys the only keys that can lock or unlock Krauss and Natsuhi's room? Furthermore, can they be locked from the inside without a key?
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>>20643
Well the key to her room was found inside, and yes you can set the deadbolt from the inside.
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It might be possible to go down to the courtyard from Natsuhi's window using a rain gutter, that way the culprit wouldn't need to go into the hallway
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>>20645
The good old rain gutter grab eh. Well I won't deny it, but that would have left the window unlocked right?
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The culprit killed Krauss and Natsuhi sometime before or during the discovery of the first twilight, he throwed Krauss' body out the window and using the rain gutter he left Natsuhi's room, after waiting the group leave the boiler room, Genji waited everyone leave the boiler room so that after the culprit put Krauss' body into the incinerador he could lock the door to the courtyard, the culprit went back to Natsuhi's room climbing the rain gutter, locket the window and left throught the door leaving it unlocked
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The culprit placed the corpse in the boiler while everyone else was inspecting the corpses in the electrical rooms. As established in prior gameboards, it can take time for the smell to develop.
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>>20647
I wonder what they did to get the mud off their boots so the group didn't notice anything in Natsuhi's room. Well I don't think it would be too hard to come up with something to deal with that so I will deny something at least. Nobody climbed back up to Natsuhi's room.

>>20648
Kumasawa and Maria were in the main boiler area. Maria is one thing, but I suppose you would have to suspect Kumasawa too.


Going to close the discussion, but don't worry I can guarantee that the next part will be up tonight.

[End of Discussion]
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The cousins made it to the first floor without issue. Once there Maria said she needed to use the bathroom so the group decided to use the one next to the parlor and main hall. Jessica also needed to go, so after Battler and Gorge checked to make sure no one was in the bathroom, they stood outside guarding the door.

“I can’t believe she kicked us out,” Battler said, breaking the silence. “The culprit could pop around the corner at any second and shoot us!”

“I'm not quite sure actually,” George said “They had access to the study but none of the guns were missing.”

“They could have brought their own,” Battler suggested

“And risk a shootout now that we have the guns?”

“Like you said, the guns were not taken. That means they are confident they can end this even if we have them.” After saying this, Battler knocked on the door and called out, “You two almost done in there? If you don’t answer I’m coming in!”

“Uu-uu, no peeking! Pervert Battler!”

“Yeah right,” he responded, “Maybe if you were another 10 years older!” Battler chuckled.

George looked at him joking until Battler noticed his gaze. “What is it?”

“You’re amazing, staying calm in this situation.” George continued, “Back on the boat you guys were praising me for being grown-up… But back then I…” George thought back to the scene in the boiler room. Although he had followed the group into each room and even picked up a key his hands had been shaking. The moment he saw Kanon and Shannon like that, those two dead bodies were enough to make him grimace and look away. All he could manage to do was stick with everyone else from that point on.

Battler looked at George before looking away and saying, “I said I would find the one responsible. I tried to take the lead and offer some solutions but… that’s all just facade. I’m scared shitless right now. But you know, it’s like, since I have already put on that mask of confidence, then the more scared I get the more I have to keep faking it.”

Battler put his hand on George's shoulder. “Besides, you chose to come with us right?” he said with a grin. They looked at each other for a moment before George exhaled and put on a small smile. “You wouldn’t last very long on your own, now would you?”

“Hey now!”

Battler threw some playful punches and they chuckled a bit. Some minutes later Jessica and Maria came out and they headed to the parlour.
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As they walked to the parlour George was thinking about what Battler said about solving these series of events. Six died in the boiler room, and then Krauss and Natsuhi… six… George noticed out of the corner of his eye the portrait of Beatrice in the main hall and it suddenly clicked. After rushing over to check it he read it outloud and then explained to the others.

“So they plan to kill us all then?” Jessica asked in horror.

“Uu-uu, Maria has been saying that since the start!”

However, as they were discussing this a sudden, sharp ringing of a phone in the parlor cried out. With hesitation the group went to the parlor and George picked up the phone. “...Hello?”

There was no response on the other end besides the steady ticking of the clock in Kinzo’s study. The cousins decided to head back to check on the others.
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What they saw when they got there was unsettling. As if to welcome them, one of the keys to the study was neatly laying centered in front of the door. They had forgot to consider it, but without a study key they had no way to enter without having the people inside to open the door for them.

“Aunt Eva? Are you guys there?” Battler called out.

Carefully they entered and checked the area. The phone was found upright on the desk, but otherwise nothing seemed out of place. Genji had brought some bolt cutters to the study in case they needed them, which were now laying on the table top. As the group explored more they found the door to the bathroom covered in red. When they tried to open the door it only opened a bit before they noticed the chain was set. They cut the chain and entered.

Inside the bathroom the ground was wet and thin splatters of blood were everywhere. The bathroom itself was more like a private hot tub room with a back area through a doorway. It was hard to see in the dark so George flipped on the light switch. Suddenly static and flickering shook the room while something violently seemed to thrash in the back.

“Did it short circuit or something?” Battler wondered out loud. They moved into the back found the one thing they had been worrying about.

In the back Genji, Kumasawa, and Gohda were tied together with duct tape on their mouths. Their arms and legs were bound and part of their bodies submerged in a separate tub. Electrical wires ripped from appliances were plunged in the water and even wrapped directly to them. Looking around the room the mirror was also shattered and stained with blood. The lights above shattered with whatever remained of the filaments.

“D-did… what did I…” George couldn’t speak. The implication was too much. However perhaps the gruesome additions to the scene made him reconsider. For Genji had a stake sticking out of his eye, Kumasawa the chest, and Gohda the stomach.

Battler noticed in the room was the key to the library portion of the study. The bathroom room didn’t have any areas where someone could hide and the windows were locked. His mind raced. He took the key and quickly headed to the library. Perhaps he just forgot about the others in shock, or maybe he was trying to be considerate and planned to hide whatever he found.
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He unlocked the library and found inside to be drenched. As if a fire alarm went off and had showered down splattering all the bookshelves and hardcovers. He checked the aisles to see if anyone was hiding and he saw it. Eva and Hideyoshi were in a very similar position as the servants but with buckets of water. Hideyoshi’s leg had stake sticking out of it, as well as Eva’s knee. The key to the bathroom portion was next to them.

George had made it into the room and came up beside Battler. He had already expected it but tears came washing down and he kneeled down next to the bodies and cried.

A few moments passed and Battler left the room angry. Scratching his head and screamed. Maria and Jessica stood looking at him. They were lost. What were they to do at this point?

Battler stopped, when he noticed something flutter out of the corner of his eye. He raised the gun back to the main part of the study. “Is someone there!?” he yelled. “Come out you bastard!!!” Battler fired off a shot, and Jessica screamed. Maria giggled.

George came out after the gunshot, “Battler what is it!?” He too raised his gun and Battler frantically looked around. Suddenly a sound. Battler twisted around and shot reflexively. The clock suddenly started started chiming. Or perhaps not suddenly, for it had just turned midnight. The windows began to shake.

“Uu-uu, she is here!” Maria cried out with joy.

George pointed his gun to the window. Pressing up against it was thousands of golden butterflies. Like every raindrop had transformed and was splatting onto the window.

"As if, something like that, exists!!!" Battler fired shot after shot at the miniature portrait of Beatrice to no effect.

With one final roar the window burst open, and it all came to an end…
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No discussion for this part since we are at the end. However I will leave it here for now so you can read over it before the debate.

I will edit this post later once I open the final debate. Will also post the winning conditions then.

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These are the winning conditions.

Human Side: Only if you manage to explain every mystery with human means can you win. No magic must be left. If this happens the witch side must then confirm the truth.

Witch Side: If they can stump the humans they win. Additionally they must respond to each witch denying theory in order for this to be valid. The witch’s truth becomes reality upon their victory.

In the event neither side wins then it will considered a stalemate and another game must be made with the same core solution if the human side wishes to know the truth.

I will be watching to see if anyone starts posting random blues to give them more time, so don`t do that. Tentatively I would say this should be no longer than a week time limit but I will gauge while we are playing.
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Anyway I will make the opening move.

First Twilight

>>20600
No such device existed.

>>20599
As stated there are no hidden passages and a person could not fit in the circuit breaker box.

Second Twilight

>>20648
Maria was in view of the incinerator during this time and would have told the group if that had happened.
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>>20788
Here i goooo

The culprits are a team consisting of Kyrie, Rudolf and Battler.

First Set of Murders
Kyrie and Rudolf faked their deaths on the first twilight. The key trick from there becomes rather simple:

First, they locked the door connecting Room 1 with the boiler room with Key A.
They then threw it in room 3.
They then locked room 3 with Key C.
They threw Key C into Room 1.
They then locked the door between Room 1 and 2 with Key B and left it in the room.


This way, there's no need for anyone to have planted any of the keys and no need for a secret passage. Upon the body discovery, Battler simply lied about them being dead.

Second Set of Murders
At some later point, Kyrie and Rudolf left the boiler room thanks to the fact that Genji had left them a trail of holes they could just go through.

Kumasawa was telling the truth. The door was locked, because Natsuhi and Krauss were in the process of being murdered. Two people involved explains another small potential issue if there had only been one person: if Krauss had been killed first, Natsuhi should've left the tub. Conversely, if Natsuhi had been killed first, how did they just go through Krauss? The issue is simple if it's two people working at the same time - one person took each.

Krauss' body was then thrown outside the window. The window was then closed and locked, and the culprits simply left the room. They then exited the mansion and brought Krauss' body from the outside to the boiler room, from its other entrance, explaining how they weren't seen by anyone. It also explains the issue regarding muddy shoes - of course none of the suspects had any mud on their shoes. None of the alleged suspects ever had to even step out.

The Knock and Letter
The knock the group had heard was simple - it was either Kyrie or Rudolf. While everyone was distracted, Battler had taken out a letter his parents had left for him in one of the books he'd examined and left it on the desk. This was done just in case the group had decided to do a body check for any potential weapons. Had Battler been searched and the letter found - the jig would've been up. This way, there are no issues.

Third Set of Murders
Firstly - I argue the guns Eva and Hideyoshi had were loaded with blanks. It's been established that the culprit would've had access to the study. With Rudolf and Kyrie's training in guns, they would've been able to either tamper with the bullets or, if the entire thing had been premeditated, brought blanks along to the island with them.

This point is important for establishing both why the culprit never bothered to take any of the guns and how the two got into the study.

They simply knocked. Their past attempt had already established that the survivors would go for opening the door. They did the same here. Only, when they opened them - the culprits were there. Because Eva and Hideyoshi's bullets were blanks, they were left defeneless and the culprits used this to their advantage, overpowering them. Ghoda was a coward, Kumasawa feeble and old, and Genji clearly didn't give a shit. So, they wouldn't have been a problem.

The creation of the locked rooms also isn't terribly difficult.

Eva and Hideyoshi are first put in the library, and the key to the bathroom is left next to them. The bathroom itself was never actually locked by a key so this detail makes it easy for us.
The door was then locked from the outside with the library key.
One of the culprits entered the bathroom, smashed the lights and prepared the wiring setup. They also left the libary key and set the chain from the inside.
They then hid in the space between the entrance to the room and the back room.
It's already been established that the path to there was dark to begin with. It wouldn't have taken much. They would've been focused on getting to the back room after their attention was drawn to the back room.
As they entered the back room, the hidden person simply escaped. This becomes extremely possible if we remember that Battler in this scenario is an accomplice, George's attention is focused on the bodies and the possibility he'd killed them, Jessica is traumatized by the loss of her parents and Maria doesn't care (meaning even if she'd noticed someone shuffling in the dark, she would've chalked it up to Beatrice).

This should cover everything, no?
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>>20789
When you asked if one blue that covers all twilights was alright I think that implies something more like `They all faked their deaths`.

I guess I can work with it, tackling it bit by bit. Just ignore all the blue stakes stabbing into me for now.

For the murders in the study, Nobody was hiding in the study bathroom. The room is fairly flat in structure and barren in decoration so any shape would have stood out.
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>>20790
Chain set from the outside?
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>>20791
Well someone looks happy.

No chain locks were set from the outside of the room during this game.

Also regarding the second twilight. Krauss` body was not thrown out of the window into the courtyard.
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>>20792
I'd like a confirmation of all the ways someone could exit the bathroom after the chain's been set, if that's okay. Just to eliminate stuff like it's possible to leave the room through the door even after the chain's been set or something like that.

Also - Krauss isn't really an issue. His body could've been carried out of the room and thrown out some other window. Or they just took it alongside him when they snuck out of the mansion and got to the boiler room from the outside.
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>>20790

Sure, I'll bite.

Everybody faked their deaths.
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>>20793
Sure. When a chain lock is set a human would not be able to pass through the gap. Of course breaking the chain or door would allow it but the group would have noticed that.

As for Krauss, His body was never thrown out a window. The only window or door to the courtyard people passed through during the game was the backdoor to the boiler room.
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>>20794
A number of the bodies were checked fairly well. Could you explain how each death could have been faked?
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>>20795
Does that mean that the only way used to exit or enter the mansion after the murders started would've been through that door? Because if not, that's still no issue for me - they could've just taken him through a door that led outside, but not to the courtyard section.

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>>20797
Not sure if this is the issue, but the courtyard is within the walls of the mansion on every side.

So no, that red only applies to the enclosed courtyard. Any other door or window is exempt.
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>>20796

Electrical rooms: fake corpses or stand-in corpses. Faces were ground off. Maybe someone owns a morgue, I dunno.

Natsuhi was barely examined and folks left quickly. She 'drowned' leaving very little identifiable marks. Just needs to get a quick gulp of air every once in a while.

Burned corpse: see fake corpse/corpse doubles theory above. I actually have backup theories on that, but we'll save them for when this gets shot down.

Servants in the bathroom: makeup and special effects with the flickering lighting.
They thrashed around when the lightswitch was flipped, and there are cords leading into the tub and wrapped around them, but because Battler ran out so fast there wasn't time to examine them well enough to notice that it was makeup and that none of the cords actually were electrified.


Eva and Hideyoshi: There's no mention of cords, so the only things apparently wrong with them are that they are wet, have feet stuck in buckets of water, and have stakes stuck in their thigh or knee. Even if they aren't faking, those are hardly fatal wounds.
To avoid pain they could be makeup, but there's not even technically a reason it has to be.


As a sidenote, all hail the Drowned God. That which is dead may never die. (In other words, holy CRAP there's a lot of electricity and water theme in this.)
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>>20798
Oh, alright, that simplifies things.

Then the corpse in the furnace wasn't Krauss'.

The culprits used one of the other bodies (or maybe even Kinzo's and cut out one of the toes after it was nice and crunchy). The reason for this was simple - after killing Krauss they wanted to throw suspicion on someone else. After toasting a random body they then hid Krauss'. Krauss' disappearance would've caused them to assume he could be the culprit. If they didn't check the furance, the assumption would've gone on just fine. If they did check it, they would've assumed it was Krauss', still leaving them to suspect Kinzo, at the very least. (It would've also created the illusion of an impossible body teleportation.)
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>>20799
Well at the very least no fake corpses were used.

As for the others I will just give you that Natsuhi`s death was not faked. So the theory that everyone faked their deaths is denied.

>>20800
Well I won`t challenge the reasoning, but sadly I will have to confirm That was indeed Krauss` body.
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>>20801

Wow, not the ones I was figuring you'd go for.

Aaaalrighty, here goes. Actual theory, take one.

Culprit is Genji, accomplice is Battler.

In the electrical rooms Genji found the first key, Battler staggered into the second room and planted the second key, and he's the only one confirmed to have looked into the third room and found the third key.

Genji left "to make the phone call," but in actuality to murder Krauss and Natsuhi.
They opened the door for him. He locked it,
killed them both, tossed Krauss out the window, locked the window, unlocked the door after Kumasawa left, escaped down to the boiler room, yanked Krauss' body from the courtyard to throw into the boiler, then rejoined the group in the parlor, saying that the phone lines were down.
Ninja Genji.

In the study, it's not stated that the knock clearly came from the door. Either Genji or Battler could have made that sound. Then Battler placed the note. Afterwards, Genji killed the four remaining people in the study, made the call, locked himself in the bathroom with the chain lock, and faked his own death as described in the previous theory. Battler ran quickly into the library section so that no one else could inspect the corpses closely.

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>>20802
I think you forgot my recent red about the windows.
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>>20803

Why yes, yes I did.

Oooh! New, better idea!

Same theory, however Krauss was already dead and stuck in one of the mentioned nooks and crannies of the boiler room way back when the first murders were discovered.
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>>20801
They could've carried Krauss' body outside the mansion after killing him and then threw his body into the courtyard across the wall. Unless the courtyard has a roof over it or something, it should've been possible as long as they had a ladder/rope/whatever. This method also doesn't require entering the courtyard through any doors or windows, so no contradiction there either.

From that point, they simply carried him into the boiler room as suggested earlier.
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>>20804
I think you overestimate Genji`s abilities. Eva and Hideyoshi started talking to him right after he came downstairs. In other words Genji would not have had time to do that.

>>20805
I see, so they hauled his body over the mansion roof and threw them into the courtyard from there. Reminds me of one of Kinjo`s old games.

No person or dead body ever passed through the top opening of the courtyard during this game.
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>>20806

To clarify, Genji killed Krauss that night and took him down to the boiler room with the others. He stashed Krauss' body there, and it remained hidden when everyone "discovered" the electrical room corpses. When he was supposed to be checking the phones, he was killing Natsuhi, escaping after Kumasawa left, retriving Krauss' body from where it had been stashed, and stuffing it in the boiler.

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>>20807
My bad, I understand now. However if that were the case, I must ask, how would he slip past the red here >>20610 ?
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>>20808

As Genji would not have been carrying anything suspicious, there would have been no reason to suspect him even if they did notice him.

and/or

They were distracted and huddling around Kumasawa.

and/or

A second stairway leading down from Natsuhi's room, leading to the hall in such a way as he'd be passing the kitchen, then the boiler room, then the parlor, so he would NOT have passed the parlor.
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>>20809
There is no second staircase.

They were never distracted enough to miss someone passing. They would have said something if Genji had.


After all they were waiting for him.
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>>20810

Time for the most anticipated movie of the year:

NINJA GENJI II: TO SERVE WITH INTRIGUE

Ninja Genji killed Natsuhi and unlocked the door to make it seem like the culprit had escaped that way. However, in actuality he exited the window and went down into the boiler room. Then his accomplice, Battler,
was the one to check the window in Natsuhi's room. He locked it.

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>>20811
There is a red here about using the courtyard windows.

>>20795
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>>20560
Gohda was an accomplice. The body was thrown out of the window, and then moved from the side of the hallway that would've required moving past the kitchen door. Gohda (or one of the culprits) was the one to move the body to the boiler room. This way, it would've never been seen by anyone in the parlor.

If you try to deny it with Gohda not being involved - fair enough then: Gohda was too distracted to notice the body was being moved from the direction of the hallway that would've required moving next to the kitchen.

And if you don't like those - well, you never denied Rune's blue of the body having being moved sometime before Kumasawa ever witnessed the door. Hell, he could've simply been killed and left in the incinerator sometime after he and Genji spoke, but before any of the survivors ever got to the boiler room to discover the first twilight, since the narration is unclear how apart the two events were. And hell, even if they were close - we don't know how long Genji and Eva were having their conversation. While Genji would not have had time to move around the body, someone else might've.

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>>20813
Quite a lot of countermeasures there. Let's see what I can do.

We already established the body never went through a window so let's just say the body never passed by the kitchen in the hall.

As for the time between two scenes Eva and Hideyoshi started talking to Genji right as he came down the stairs. Genji going down the stairs was the same instance for both scenes. I don't want to start giving minutes or numbers to make it any more complicated, so it was almost immediately.
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>>20814
No issue if that scene with Genji and Krauss talking never actually happened. If I assume, say, George is the detective, it's really only Genji's word against the world's.
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>>20815
Indeed... I will relinquish this mystery.

I did say I was playing as a witch after all. You can consider this a point for the human side. You don't need to debate this mystery any further to win, only if you want more details or are just curious (will still have to use blue though). All will be revealed at the end if you win either way.

Feel free to choose the next topic.
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>>20816
Well, might as well keep on going with the Genji train.

Genji created the library trick as mentioned before - put the key there, locked door from the outside. He then went to the bathroom, setting the chain from the inside.
He then placed Kumasawa and Gohda's bodies in the tub, shut off the lights, threw the cables into the tub. He then stuck a stake in his eye - this didn't kill him. Then, he went into the tub, first covered his mouth in duct tape, then bound his legs, then tied himself to the others, and finally tied his hands.

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>>20817
Genji is a skilled fellow I see.

None of the people found in the study bathroom set the chain lock.
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>>20820
The person who set the chain lock left the room through the window, which was then closed by one of the three people found.

Best to keep it general.
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