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"Riiche! Riiche, hold up!" called Gaap, stopping Beatrice's escape attempt to a nice spa.

Sighing, Beatrice turned around. "Yes?"

Gaap, suddenly confronted, looked a little lost for words. "Well, I was just wondering if you had some time to think about my proposal?"

Beatrice frowned thoughtfully. "Which one was that again?"

The demon sighed. "You know. I mean, yeah, it's great that we're putting on the shows that we've been doing, but we should bring in something flashier, something hip, something..."

"Commercial?" the witch completed, dryly.

"Your word, not mine," said Gaap, grinning mischievously.

The witch sighed in an exaggerated manner. "Come on, Gaap, you know I don't like pulling cheap tricks to broaden my appeal..."

"Musical."

"That was art! Plus, you should have seen Goat-kun's face..."

"Twine Ball."

"A homage to a classic of the genre!"

"Come on, Riiche! We can't just keep doing the same old boards and expect the audience to keep coming back. We need a fresh twist!"

Beatrice frowned, then winked. "Gotcha, you old prankster. I agree with you. I've been working on a new idea for a bit now, that I think is something like you had in mind." She pulled a script out from behind her back. "I'm calling in an old friend, and we're going to put on a show like we've never done before."

Gaap looked at the title, then at Beatrice. "Seriously? You know him?"

Beatrice smirked. "And I make sure to see him once a year. He's already agreed. We're going to need some serious makeup, though. He's...changed, since those days."

Gaap flipped through the script, and grinned. "I think we'll manage. This should be fun." The two friends laughed together, walking down the hall.

Two months later, the stage was set, the actors were ready, and the guest star stood on stage, ready to begin. The lights came up. The show began.

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>>21178

"Hmm...alright, I'll give this one to you. Whether from the inside or the outside, the parlor door was locked after the victims died.

>>21179

"Oh ho!" the witch said, turning to her next challenger. "I am half-tempted to not even dignify that with a red, but I will. For starters, though, a simple fact: The room right above the servant's room was the VIP room, and above that is roof. The occupants of the VIP room would definitely have noticed if Shannon was missing and a new Shannon-shaped hole was in the wall, and not mentioning that would be a violation of Knox's 8th. I suppose a Shannon-shaped hole in the roof would be possible, but that would also be a violation of Knox's 8th, plus would require an amazing theory to explain. At any rate, Knox's 8th applies to this mystery. Care to try again?"

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>>21180
Since this game is out of order I will try that as well. With the boiler room everyone else was gathered in Jessica's room as far as we are told. Kanon could have been killed earlier, although we are inclined to believe Battler's testimony. We know Kumasawa was with the group for sure so she went to the boiler room and died. Did they perhaps investigate the smell of the body since it could have been put in earlier and only now started smelling? Either way the result is a burnt body and two more dead.

This is why I assumed someone had faked their death, but I always like a single, non-faked death culprit explanation so let's see if I can try something silly to try and make my first whodunit theory work. The burnt body/furnace was trapped to shoot and kill anyone who went to investigate. After all why would the body be missing two kneecaps? That is what was rigged. Battler might have felt a string used for the trap and mistook it for a spiderweb.
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>>21182

Beatrice bursts out laughing. "The kneecaps? The kneecaps were trapped? Oh boy, detective, that's on par with the other idiot's 'small bombs'! I never figured you for the crazy things."

She laughs a while longer, then calms herself, wiping a tear from her eye. "Oh, thank you. I needed that. Still, alright, I'll allow it. The item that Battler felt on the furnace was a broken tripline for a trap. It only worked once. So, you have your trap, detective. It's up to you to decide who it killed."
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The murderer had previously broken away the plaster of the wall behind the bookshelf. When the people were sleeping, the murderer killed Shannon (by snapping her neck while she was asleep), then removed the books from the bookshelf to reveal the hole in the plaster, then pushed Shannon through the hole. Shannon fell down to where she would be found. Then the murderer put the books back.

`•.¸¸. it was a secret passage all along .¸¸.•'

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>>21184

Beatrice frowned. "Little-remarked upon addendum that Dlanor pointed out once. Passages violate no Knox if they are properly hinted at in the tale. So I take offense to you calling it a secret passage."

She presses her lips together, then waves a hand, annoyed. "Alright. There was a hole behind the bookcase in the VIP room large enough to put Shannon's body in vertically." Happy, detective? You've exposed some shoddy workmanship in my bedroom." She huffs.
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It is a really well-constructed game I would say... When one reaches the end, he could be forgiven for suspecting one of the dead for Shannon's murder. But it doesn't seem any death was faked, as the Doctor clearly checked all the bodies. They were obviously real...

However! The Doctor could tell something was off about the bodies, and he also was unable to completely identify them! It is possible some or all of the corpses of the first twilight belong to people other than those they were presumed to belong to, namely Natsuhi, Rosa, Eva, Hideyoshi, Nanjo and Genji! Krauss and Nanjo were discussing something about supplies, perhaps supplies needed to create fake corpses, and it is obvious Krauss had a hand in drugging those at the parlor, as he is the one who convinced Shannon to switch cups. Those cups were lined with a sedative! Nanjo avoided drinking, that's why his cup was still nearly full! Afterwards, Krauss and Nanjo could have moved the drugged bodies somewhere safe, and planted the fake corpses, which they proceeded to splash with blood. But they did a poor job at that, allowing the Doctor to notice their incompetence! How's that, witch?!
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>>21186

Beatrice looked surprised at the new detective, then frowned and clicked her tongue. "Tch. I don't even feel the need to dignify those with a response. I refuse to refute them, with no further explanation. What about the other murders, hmm?"
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...So that's how it's going to be, eh?

I'll admit it's been a long time since I've tested my wits against a Game Master of your caliber. I might be a bit rusty...

"What about the other murders," you say? Are there any other murders, witch? Sure, we've seen some corpses, but how do we know they are what they seem to be? For starters, how many people are on the island? I'm asking about both the initial state and the final state of the gameboard, of course. And among those seemingly killed, how many did actually die?

I have my theories of course, but I'm hesitant to lay all my cards on the table so early. You're only giving me one shot at a final answer, Cluedo-style, after all. All I'll say for now is that I have a multiple culprit theory, with two groups of killers operating independent of each other. Care to dignify that with a response?
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>>21189

The witch chuckled dryly. "I'm not obligated to respond to anything not in blue that I do not wish to. Still, you seem somewhat accomplished, new detective, so I shall welcome you and honor that with a red that might help you. On October 4th and 5th, 1986, the time portrayed on this gameboard, Kinzo, Krauss, Natsuhi, Jessica, Eva, Hideyoshi, George, Rudolf, Kyrie, Battler, Rosa, and Maria Ushiromiya existed on the island. Genji, Gohda, Kumasawa, Shannon, Kanon, and Nanjo existed on the island. The Doctor existed on the island.
At no point for those two days were there any living humans on the island aside from those listed here.
I would find it tedious to list the dead underground, after all, and Captain Kawabata never disembarked."

She smiled. "As for your actual blue, I'll grant you that it is an interesting theory. Still, there is only one culprit. A culprit is one with murderous intent."
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Uhwa! What am I gonna do now?! There goes my super special awesome theory about the Ushiromiya sub-families trying to out-kill each other! What a shame! Bern-chan would have loved it! Gah!


Heh. Just kidding. I didn't really like that theory to begin with.
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To be honest though, I expected as much. Such a game would be unlike you, I can tell. Thank you for your kind words, as well as your red truth. I had already guessed that much, so I'm sorry to have you vouch for this board's integrity, but after playing through so many unsavory games of cruel witches, one cannot help but be a little cautious.

Now! Back to the drawing board. My primary suspects are 4 individuals, but I will not name them yet. If the Doctor could arrive at a conlusion with the evidence presented to him, then so could we. That doesn't necessarily mean his conclusion is the correct one, but it seems to me it would be. Let's go by elimination. You still haven't refuted my blue from earlier...

The tea cups Krauss instructed Shannon to use had a sedative already in them. The six people in the parlor bar Nanjo drank from their cups and fell asleep, then Nanjo helped Krauss carry the sedated five to Kinzo's study and replaced them in the parlor with dummy corpses from the chapel. That is, real corpses, recently deceased, splashed with blood to appear fresh. Afterwards the parlor was locked from the outside. The people those corpses belonged to are considered "victims", right? Even if they are not those assumed to be by the survivors. Your "the parlor door was locked after the victims died" red will not be contradicted like this.

Refute this if you can, Beatrice-san. Between you and me, I'm actually hoping that you will. I'm just testing the waters for now, since I don't want to be drawn in by the maelstrom that is your magic...
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>>21192

The witch frowned. "I don't think I will put the red to this yet, but instead will point out a hole in your blue. You say the door was locked after they left the parlor. However, assuming Nanjo and Krauss did this, as you suggest, neither had a key to do this. How, then, was the door locked?"

She grinned. "Food for thought. Carry on with another mystery if you feel it is unimportant."
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Hmm, that's troubling. You are constantly evading. Is it because I'm making a fool of myself, or have I hit the nail right on the head...

Very well! Have it your way. I'll leave the 1st twilight for later. On to the second twilight! The chain was not set when the culprit went to enter the room. Either the victims let the culprit in, or they had not set the chain at all. After killing the two, the culprit used a device to set the chain from the outside, like the Doctor suggested.
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>>21194

The witch laughed. "Impossible! I will tell you as I told him! The chain lock cannot be set from the outside. After all, if you dislike me giving you some line, I should reel you in a little, yes?"
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Heh, I wouldn't have it any other way...

I'll revise my hypothesis. The culprit set the chain from the inside and hid under the bed or in the closet or in some other hiding place within the room. While the Doctor was in the bathroom, the culprit slid out of their hiding place and pretended to have just arrived at the scene.
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>>21196

The witch either winced, or winked. It was hard to say. Either way, she then said, "And we let the fish pull away again, so that it thinks it's free. I refuse to give a blocking red to that. I won't explain why."
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>>21197

Heh, keep pretending all you want! It's obvious I got ya there!

Third twilight! The culprit killed Krauss while the Doctor and Jessica were at the chapel! Then hurriedly digged a ditch, threw him in and pierced his head with the gardening stake. The shovel the Doctor noticed was the one used for that.

Oh, and while at it, the culprit killed Kanon too, dumped his body in the boiler room, put Kinzo in the furnace, and even prepared the trap that would later kill Kumasawa. Plenty of time to do all of that!
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>>21203

"Hoh?" said Beatrice. "Think you're on a roll, do you? Remember, though, the shovel wasn't the only thing of note about the area around the body! If the ditch had been dug while the Doctor was at the chapel, after the rain had stopped, there shouldn't have been the amount of rainwater found around the body. That should make the time a bit clearer to you, shouldn't it, detective?"

The witch grinned, like the cat who ate the canary.
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>>21236

I remember all too well. I remember the Doctor taking note of "some long garden hoses"! The water in the ditch was not rainwater at all! It came from the water supply!
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>>21237

The witch looked shocked, then looked down. "It's...true. The hoses could have been used to fill up the ditch with water..." She sighed and began to look listless. "Hoses are useful like that. You can do other stuff too..." she trailed off.

Then she looked up. "Like tie nooses with them! The garden hoses were not used to fill the ditch by the shed!"
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>>21241

Then, how about this! Water from the garden pots outside the shed was used to fill the ditch. The pots were then refilled with water from the hoses!
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>>21243

Beatrice kept cackling for a bit, letting it gradually die down. She waved her hand dismissively as she calmed, finally saying, "Yes, yes, you seem to have an answer for anything. Anything to keep this fantasy of yours that he died after the rain paused alive, it seems. I grow tired of this spot, though. Really it wasn't my favorite killing, I just enjoyed the novelty of making the outside world a locked room."

She regained her composure, and grinned a predatory grin. "So I refuse to deny that blue...for now. Look forward to a response later though... So! What shall you prod at next, detective?"
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>>21261

The outside world was a closed room? Bah, someone's just lying.

I won't prod at anything new. I've already presented a hypothesis for the fifth, sixth, and seventh twilights. Won't you be kind enough to address it, witch?

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>>21263

"So...it sounds like you feel that you've got it all figured out, eh?" said the witch, slowly. "I suppose it's time to take off the kid gloves then. Here's some red to keep in mind, detective..."

She looked the detective in the eye, and then fired shot after shot of red.

First Twilight: Neither Nanjo nor Krauss locked the parlor door. At no point were any of the victims hidden in Kinzo's study (either living or dead).

Second twilight: Rudolf's watch was indeed smashed and stopped in the scuffle with the culprit. The culprit did not tamper with it afterwards.

Fourth twilight: The garden hoses were never used!


"And lastly..."

There were no accomplices! The definition of accomplice is one who knows the culprit's identity and knowingly aids in their scheme!

She exhales. "Very well, detective. Give me a cohesive blue, taking into account all that, and maybe I'll let you take a shot at the culprit."
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>>21275

No accomplices??? That's impossible! It can't happen! How did-

Heh. Of course. I was looking at it the wrong way! I expected an accomplice where I didn't need one!

But that won't come in play just yet. Back to the fourth twilight! Krauss was killed during the time the Doctor would have been sleeping. The culprit slipped out, killed him, then returned. After all, Krauss left the mansion "30 minutes" before the Doctor's group arrived. I can't imagine the walk from the guesthouse to the mansion taking more than 5 minutes, and Jessica would have woken the Doctor up pretty quickly once the eye hit. Therefore, the culprit had about 20 minutes to kill Krauss and prepare the scene.

And that leaves even more time for the culprit to prepare the fifth, sixth and seventh twilights during the eye of the storm, as I reasoned earlier.
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>>21278

"That would make it far too easy, wouldn't you think?"

From the time the Doctor and the others entered the guesthouse and locked it to the time that they all left again to go to the mansion, the only human who could have left the mansion or the guesthouse was Krauss.
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>>21287

Indeed, it would be far too easy that way. But all this red you've given me narrows everything down so much.

Krauss dug the ditch himself while it was still raining, but the culprit killed him while the Doctor and Jessica were occupied with the chapel.

Unless of course Krauss faked his death using a dummy corpse, but my money's not on that. Maybe he was planning to do that, but the culprit got to him first.
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>>21290

"It is so lovely when an opponent thinks they have you beat, but slowly begin to realize they've backed themselves into a corner," chuckled Beatrice softly.

Krauss did not did the ditch.
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>>21291

What about my second blue? No, wait. That's not it. It's related to your previous red, right?

The Doctor did not personally see to it that the guesthouse was locked, but entrusted that task to the people that were with him, namely, the cousins! One of them, either purposefully, or accidentally, left a door or window unlocked. Thus the guesthouse was never 'locked', and anyone 'could' have left the guesthouse, as your red so wonderfully allows!
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>>21294

"Hmm, I do suppose that does get around my red, yes..." murmured the witch. Then she shrugged. "When in doubt, add more red."

The cousins dutifully made sure that all entrances and exits for the guesthouse were locked after they entered with the Doctor and the Doctor asked them to.
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>>21300

But can the same be said of the mansion? One of the servants snuck out, killed Krauss, then returned in time to meet the Doctor and the cousins.

No, that won't do. Your red covers this possibility too. I will supplement with this! The servant in question left the mansion before the guesthouse was locked!
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>>21302

"Fair enough, I suppose," shrugged the witch. "Then let's just patch that little hole in the red."

No servants left the mansion from the time the Doctor left them all in the mansion to the time that the guesthouse was locked.

"Feeling boxed in yet, detective? Ready to just admit that it was magic? Or even sufficiently advanced science, as Arthur would say?"
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>>21304

I think you meant to say "technology"...

I won't present a new theory. My blue from earlier still stands. Krauss faked his death using a dummy corpse.
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>>21305

Krauss did not fake his death!
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>>21307

Well, now I can be a bit more in ease, but still...

But of course! I was a fool for not seeing it all this time! Time! It's all about time!

The ditch wasn't dug after Krauss was killed. It was dug before! It was dug sometime during the night or the early morning, and it filled with rainwater naturally!

You were right, the outside world was a closed room. But I was also right! Someone's lying! The outside world stopped being a closed room when everyone went outside in small groups! After that point, no assurances of its closed status will suffice to prove that status! None except those made in red!

There's still the possibility that the culprit snuck out just before the Doctor first left the mansion, but let's forget that for now. What happened is this: While the Doctor was with Jessica at the chapel, the culprit killed Krauss and put him in the already dug ditch! Aside from that, the rest is pretty much the same as my earlier theory. The culprit also killed Kanon and Kinzo, and prepared the boiler room scene with their corpses and the trap on the furnace. Kinzo himself may have been dead since way earlier though, since no one has seen him at all.

Aaaah, it's falling into place, it's all falling into place!
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Okay all the "howdunnit" and "whydunnit" is missing, but this is a good starting point as any.


Kanon is the culprit!

He called Krauss anonymously and had him get knockout gas onto the island. Anon Kanon also tells Krauss to go outside to a specific spot at a specific time (the ditch), as Kanon has looked up the weather forecast and knows when the eye will hit. He promises Krauss the gold from the epitaph to get him to collaborate. But since Krauss doesn't know who he's collaborating with or the extent of Kanon's scheme, he doesn't count as an accomplice.

Kanon calls Rudolf anonymously (thus not fitting the definition of accomplice) and promises him money to pay off his lawsuit in America, that's why Rudolf was telling Jack he would have the money. Kanon then directs Rudolf to pick up some sorta knockout gas canister and go to a specific spot at a specific time (the ditch) and gas Krauss, or he will not have the money. Rudolf doesn't like it, but feels he's forced into it. Since he may go down for it, he tells Kyrie about Battler's birth rather than putting it off.

Kanon has Krauss gas the victims in the parlour, he shoos away Shannon to keep her away from the gas. Krauss then leaves, and Kanon slips in and kills all the knocked out victims. He plants the fake blood to disguise their method of death.

Krauss goes to meet Rudolf and Kyrie, and batters them after arguing with them. He then changes the time of the watch, as he had no murderous intent, merely a violent one, he doesn't count as the culprit and this doesn't conflict with the red. Kyrie ends up dying, but Krauss didn't actually intend to kill her, just to batter her. Rudolf is steaming mad and decides to definitely go through with the Anon Kanon's plan. He puts the chain on the door and lies in the room next to his dead wife pretending to be dead.

Before Rudolf and Kyrie's bodies are discovered, Kanon digs the ditch. Then he goes back inside to inform the doctor of their deaths to give Rudolf the alibi of death for gassing Krauss.

After the doctor's group left the guesthouse, but before Gohda discovered the bodies, Kanon left the mansion and rolled the knocked out Krauss over face down, and then either staked him, or shot him and added the stake post-mortem.

Kanon then kills Shannon and switches clothes with her! he also kills Kumasawa and moves Kinzo's corpse to the Boiler.

Finally, he, dressed as Shannon, goes into the VIP room with the other survivors excluding the doctor, and leaves the note there, before slipping through the hole and pretending to be dead.


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"Ah, here we go then," she says, seeing the newcomer.

>>21308

"First, for yours: the body in the ditch had water fall on its back after it was face down in the ditch. Your theory must account for that. However, your theory must account for this as well: the ditch was not dug in the rain!"

>>21309

Cackling, she turns to the newcomer. "Let's just take a couple of your linchpins out, for starters. First: no knockout gas was used! Second: no bodies found were people faking their deaths. They were all dead."
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>>21310

The ditch was dug before the typhoon even arrived. That solves it, doesn't it?

As for the water on the corpse's back... It was rolled over in the ditch so it would get wet on both sides..
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>>21310

Then allow me to hammer those linchpins back in.

Kanon called Krauss anonymously and had him get knockout DRUG onto the island. He also tells Krauss to go outside to a specific spot at a specific time (the ditch), as Kanon has looked up the weather forecast and knows when the eye will hit. He promises Krauss the gold from the epitaph to get him to collaborate. But since Krauss doesn't know who he's collaborating with or the extent of Kanon's scheme, he doesn't count as an accomplice.

Kanon has Krauss drug the victims in the parlour by using the drugged mugs in the hall closet, Krauss switches his mug with Nanjo and takes Nanjo's mug with him as he leaves. Then a gas device Kanon had previously planted kills them and Kanon slips in later and adds the huge wounds, splashing blood on them to disguise their time and method of death.

Krauss as previously theorised batters Rudolf and Kyrie without the intent to kill them, but they both die anyway. Rudolf or Kyrie sets the chain to prevent him from getting back in, and then both die lying next to each other. As he had no murderous intent, he doesn't satisfy the definition of a culprit and is allowed to tamper with the watch.

Kanon digs the ditch the day before when it isn't raining. He kills krauss after the Doctor has left the guest house but before Gohda finds the bodies, stakes him, and dumps water over the body using the flowerpot, filling it up again directly from a tap.

Kanon then kills Shannon and switches clothes with her! he also kills Kumasawa and moves Kinzo's corpse to the Boiler.

Shannon isn't faking her death! infact, she really is dead! However, because of this, people think Kanon has died, thus Kanon did not have to pretend to be dead to be thought to be dead. Thus no body found was a person faking their death.

Finally, he, dressed as Shannon, goes into the VIP room with the other survivors excluding the doctor, and leaves the note there, before going to the VIP room and slipping through the hole and cutting his leg and snapping his own neck.


Of course if no one was faking their death at all, that'd blow this theory apart. So I've prepared an alternate theory just in case. Here is GOHDA CULPRIT THEORY!

Gohda calls Krauss anonymously and has him bring a knockout drug bring a knockout drug to the island. He has Krauss go to the ditch, which Gohda dug on the first day before it started raining. We're told Kanon would know if the ditch was there before, but Kanon himself never confirms this, only Gohda does, and he's lying.

Gohda puts a set of tea mugs prepared with a knockout drugs into the knockout closet. He also prepares a killing gas device in the room with a timer on it. He tells Krauss to make sure tea is prepared using those mugs, He then sends Shannon to the parlour with tea in the wrong mugs to cast suspicion away from himself, as he predicted Shannon would say that he'd washed them. The drug is particularly powerful, and gets into people's systems even just through steam coming from the tea. Others drank theirs immediately in impatience, but Nanjo waited for his to cool down, but was still affected by the drug.

Alternatively, Nanjo did drink his tee, but Krauss was also present and had a cup of tea that he didn't drink. He brought Nanjo's mug with him and put his mug infront of Nanjo to confuse the issue before leaving the room. Then the gas goes off and kills them as they sleep. Later, when they've been dead for a while, Gohda cuts the bodies open and splashes the fake blood to make it look as if the large wounds were what killed them.

Immediately after Kanon leaves Rudolf and Kyrie's room around 6 o'clock, Gohda enters without Kanon noticing. He beats Rudolf and Kyrie to death and hides in the room. He escapes while the doctor is in the bathroom without Kanon noticing again. I use the devils proof for how this was accomplished.

After the Doctor leaves the guesthouse, While Gohda is allegedly looking for Krauss, he kills him and sticks him in the premade ditch. He then pours water from the flowerpots over Krauss's back and sticks the stake in and fills the flowerpot back up directly from a tap. He wipes the spade he used the previous day in the dirt to make it look as if it was used recently. Of course while doing all this, he gets dirty, so he pretends to accidentally trip to justify the dirt on his clothes.

After this, Gohda asks Shannon to look after the cousins while he, Kumasawa and Kanon go to look for Kinzo. He then kills Kumasawa and Kanon and puts Kinzo's corpse in the furnace.

Finally, he merely pretends to be asleep, and breaks Shannon's neck as she sleeps with his hand over her mouth. He then slices her leg to confuse things when her body is found, and slips her through the hole.


Perhaps someone insulted his cooking?
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"Good, good!" clapped the witch.

>>21311

Gohda was not lying about the ditch not being there the previous morning! The ditch was dug after the storm's arrival!

"As for your other theory..."

The body was not rolled over in the ditch, but remained face down the entire time.

"And as for you..."

>>21312

Rudolf and Kyrie did not lock the door to their room after being beaten.

No pot was filled by tap!

Kanon did not snap his own neck.

"And the second..."

Gohda did not request a knockout drug.

There was no gas device in the parlor.

If a knockout drug was used, it would not be powerful enough to be inhaled by the tea steam.

Gohda was outside Rudolf and Kyrie's room 'a little before ten', at a time when the chain lock was locked, and told Kanon to go get the Doctor. Kanon did not lie about this!


"Oh, and because I feel his honor has been impugned enough, no one ever insulted his cooking!"

She exhales, shaking a bit. "That was a lot of red. Think you can handle it, detectives?"
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>>21313

Excellent!

Nanjo drunk his tea, and Krauss switched his full mug with Nanjo's and took it with him, as for where the knockout drug came from, they were stolen from Rosa who keeps sedatives for Maria as mentioned in Ep 3. The wounds were added post-mortem

Alternatively, It was poison put in the mugs before they were hidden in the hall closet. As Krauss didn't put the poison in, he doesn't count as the culprit, he was told to make sure those mugs are used anonymously. Once again, Krauss switched his mug with Nanjo and took Nanjo's mug with him.

If Kyrie and Rudolf didn't lock the door, we can safely assume The culprit is hiding in their room when Kanon and the Doctor entered.

As for Krauss's death... Hmm, this is getting difficult. However there's still several moves left available to me.

The eye of the storm hit before Jessica told the doctor. She didn't notice or didn't care because she was upset. Once she'd calmed down she told the doctor.

A servant left the Mansion BEFORE the Doctor left the mansion, and waited outside until the time came to kill Krauss, they waited next to the clay pot, leaving a dry spot, where Shannon later suggested that Jessica sit. Once the rain stopped, they dug the ditch, Krauss arrived and they killed him

As for the water on the back... it's seeming at this stage the question is changing from "how was the water poured on his back" to "how was the clay pot filled back up again?" unless we're barking up the wrong tree entirely...
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>>21314

No teacups were switched after the tea was served in the parlor.

No one died by poison.

Jessica did not miss the entry into the eye of the storm, and told the Doctor as fast as could reasonably be expected.

No servant was waiting outside in the rain by the shed, and at the time the Doctor and his group left the mansion to go to the guesthouse, all servants were inside the mansion.
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>>21315

hmmm...

The burnt body in the Boiler Room isn't actually Kinzo's body, if it were, they'd have been able to tell by the six toes, which aren't mentioned. Nor are we told he's dead at the start of the game, we're told that no one can be living except the listed humans, whom Kinzo is among. The body isn't someone faking their death, and really is dead, thus side-stepping the red.

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>>21316

The witch sighed dramatically. "Ah, alas and alack!"

The body in the furnace really is Kinzo's corpse!
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>>21317

"The ditch was not dug in the rain."
"The ditch was dug after the storm's arrival."


Does "in the rain" mean "while it was raining"?
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>>21317

I guess the prospect of an unseen piece free to move around and murder at will is just too good to be true... Let's try another approach.
The dry patch was created by a clay pot that was there previously, and filled with water, but was moved to dump water over Krauss and then put in the Chapel
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>>21318

"Ha! Seems we're down to the nitpicking stage, eh?"

'In the rain' refers to when it is rainin-

>>21321

The next blue blindsided her and slammed her back. Grunting, she staggered upright again, glaring daggers at the other player.

The dry patch was from a pot that was previously there and filled with rainwater.
It was dumped into the ditch and then removed.


"Fine then, you two. Do you think you've solved it all? The parlor, Kyrie and Rudolf and the smashed watch, Krauss in the rain, the basement, and Shannon in the wall?"

She smiled wickedly. "What if I give you a free red?"

At 9:30 in the morning, about half an hour before the Doctor entered Kyrie and Rudolf's room, no one was hiding in the room.
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>>21322

Heh, I was wondering when this would come into play.

Rudolf had been on the phone with a guy named Jack. Where this guy lived, "2:30" would be "five hours from now", with "now" being "one in the morning". In other words, at 6:30 AM Japan time, when Jack and Rudolf were scheduled to talk again, Jack's time would be "2:30". But here's the tricky part. Jack is an English name. If this Jack lives somewhere in the Pacific Coast of North America, the time matches perfectly. Rudolf had set his watch to GMT-8! Japan time is GMT+9! There's an 8 hour difference between the two! "2:30" refers to 2:30 PM, in other words, 14:30! Which means, Rudolf's watch would read "6:04" when it was 18:04 GMT-8, which comes at 10:04 AM GMT+9! Rudolf and Kyrie weren't murdered shortly after Kanon talked with them early in the morning, but after the parlor scene was discovered, in the midmorning, shortly after ten!

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>>21322

As for Nanjo's tea, if the mug wasn't switched. Perhaps the tea itself was!

Someone poured tea out of one cup into Nanjo's cup to give the impression it was full all along and hadn't been drunk from!
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>>21323

Beatrice grunted again and staggered back. Shaking her head to clear it from its daze, she spat out the next red.

Rudolf set his watch to line up with his business partners in the U.S. Pacific time zone. It was smashed at a little after 10 a.m. Rokkenjima time.

>>21324

"Ha! Don't get too cocky yet, detectives!"

No one switched out Nanjo's tea, cup, saucer or anything else tea-related once it was poured! The tea was poured and then served to Dr. Nanjo, and was never touched by another living soul until the horrible scene was discovered in the morning!
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