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I'm not great with names for games.

This game takes place on Rokkenjima during the 5th of October, the second day of the Family conference. The day before, a letter arrived detailing Beatrice's claim everything the Ushiromiya own.

The letter was sent by Kinzo
Kinzo is alive and Shannon and Kanon are two different people
This makes 18 people on the island at games beginning, before any deaths take place
At the beginning of the story, there are 5 Master Keys. Furthermore in the Servants room one key for each room in the house exists. Except Family Member's bedrooms, who keep their Bedroom Key on their person.
The definition of Master key is; A key which can open every single room on Rokkenjima except Kinzo's study
There are two keys to Kinzo's Study, Genji has one on his person. Kinzo has the other on his person.

Knox's Decalogue doesn't strictly apply to this game. Although despite this.

This game fairly easy to solve

So are you ready to play? It wouldn't take more than even an mediocre detective to kill me here.

The first twilight.

Gohda, Kumasawa, Genji, Shannon, Kanon and Nanjo were found dead by Battler alone in the VIP room
Kumasawa, Genji, Shannon and Kanon were found with circular wounds in their forehead. Nanjo and Gohda had similar wounds on their stomach
The room was a perfect closed room! After the door was locked, no one left and no one entered until Battler broke down the door!
Battler recovered all 5 master keys from the room. Upon finding them he immediately ate one leaving 4 master keys. The key to the VIP room was also locked inside the room
At the time the bodies were discovered, everyone else on the island was within the dining hall

Let's start simple

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After discovering Rosa's body, Battler's group finally decide to inform Kinzo
Before heading up stairs, Battler gives one of his Master Keys to George and one to Rudolf
On the way to Kinzo's study, Battler's group find the dead body of Krauss slumped on the floor in front of Natsuhi's door.
George opens the door with a master key, and directly on the other side of the door, Natsuhi is slumped against the floor, dead.
Battler notices a broken window in Natsuhi's room. The wind is clearly blowing into the room. He also notices that the bodies seem to have been dead for quite some time. Several hours at least. He also notes Natsuhi's door key on the floor near her body.

Neither Natsuhi or Krauss could have killed Rosa! because they're both DEAD! hAAAhahahaa!

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Objection!!! Battler has no medical knowledge!

Your red only states that the corpses "seem" dead for hours, not that they indeed are. Battler's opinion on the matter doesn't mean anything. He could easily be entirely mistaken!
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True enough, and a good place to start. But this time

Battler was right. Natsuhi and Krauss have been dead for hours
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Hehe, you've just dug your grave, witch!

If Krauss and Natsuhi had only died recently, then this would almost be checkmate in your favor. Excluding Kinzo and the dead, all the others have stayed together since Battler left the dining hall. Except that time the idiot chipped his tooth on a key, of course.

But now! Now it is perfectly clear that they were killed while most of the adults were missing simultaneously. In other words, Eva and Rosa have no alibi for the murders of Krauss and Natsuhi!

Here's my three-fold attack! I propose Eva did it! She killed Krauss and Natsuhi, and broke the window so she could throw the key in from the outside!

After that, she killed Rosa and returned to the mansion the way Ozaki-san reasoned.

Back in the mansion she was approached by Hideyoshi. He realized what she was doing and tried to talk her out of it. They got into a scuffle and, as we know, that lead to Hideyoshi dying in an accident. The parlor door was locked by Maria.

You have shown us the murders all backwards! You lead us to believe a false sequence of events! But no more! Your tricks won't defeat us, delusions of a greedy woman! You are not the Golden Witch! You are just the human, Ushiromiya Evaaaaaaaaa!!!
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Ugh! Have I been seen through so easily?


The Parlour door was locked by Maria
Eva murdered Rosa

But I'm not finished yet!

Eva didn't kill Krauss or Natsuhi!
The key was not thrown through the broken window
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Mmm, only a half win. But I'm not finished either! I had already planned this next move!

Krauss and Natsuhi couldn't have killed Rosa but Rosa could have killed Krauss and Natsuhi! Krauss was murdered outside Natsuhi's room, but Natsuhi managed to barricade herself inside. Rosa went outside and shot Natsuhi through the window!

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Hahaha! Not so confident now? This could perhaps be my most dastardly move so far. Are you ready to play, Dionysios!??

Rosa did not murder Krauss or Natsuhi!
No one shot through the window!

Hahaha I'll enjoy seeing you struggle through this one.

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Should I have gone with the simpler theory then?

Natsuhi killed Krauss then commited suicide.

The most simple explanation for a closed room murder may just be the correct one.
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Natsuhi didn't commit suicide!
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But she did kill Krauss, no? Maybe they had a fight and she died from her wounds after locking the door from the inside.

Though I really think I'm grasping at straws here. I underestimated you. I shouldn't have.
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Neither Natsuhi or Krauss had any wounds...
Because Natsuhi and Krauss drowned
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Wha-? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? They drowned? How? How did that even happen? And where? How? When? Where? How? What??????????
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They were obstacles in the revival of the Golden Witch!

So I drowned them. Drowned them in an ocean not water but jelly! They choked and begged me for mercy, but what mercy does predator offer it's prey?

How could they have drowned if not for my magic? It's impossible! Why don't you just give up!? Ahahah!

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Hideyoshi killed Natsuhi and Krauss. They drowned on snow. The window was locked from outside since it was broken.
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Hideyoshi didn't kill Natsuhi or Krauus
Natsuhi and Krauss didn't drown on snow
At the time of Krauss and Natsuhi's death, the window wasn't broken.
Nor did the culprit break the window in an effort to escape!
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Kinzo did then, he is missing and alive after all. They were knocked out and drowned in a bathtub or sink. The room was constructed after, hence the window still being intact during their deaths.

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Kinzo did not kill Natsuhi and Krauss
Natsuhi and Krauss were conscious before and whilst they were drowning, up until the lack of oxygen made them pass out
Natsuhi died in her room! Krauss died right outside it! Their bodies were not moved after they died!

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Oh? Now this is getting weird.

Secondary drowning. Natsuhi and Krauss fell by accident or were forced underwater. Either way they passed out and someone put the bodies where they were found. Only then did they died from the lack of oxygen.

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Natsuhi and Krauss started to drown exactly where they were found, and finished drowning exactly where they were found, and never left those spots the entire time!
Natsuhi and Krauss's bodies weren't moved! Whether Alive or Dead, Conscious or Unconscious, Natsuhi and Krauss's bodies were not moved by anyone else!
Natsuhi and Krauss weren't forced underwater
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Could it be your choice of words again? You said that Eva, Hideyoshi and Kinzo did not 'kill' Krauss or Natsuhi, but that Rosa did not 'murder' them.
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Just a little red herring

Not that these deaths needed one, hehehe
Rosa did not kill Natsuhi and Krauss
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The mansion/room was flooded and the window broke from the water.

If not can we get a definition for what it means to drowned?
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The mansion didn't flood with water
Drowning is defined as dying from lungs filled with fluid preventing acquisition of oxygen thus causing death
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Of course, only the lungs.

Natsuhi and Krauss got way too drunk and eventually they threw up and choked on their own vomit.

Similarly, They drank something that just happened to go down the wrong pipe and choked to death by accident.

Or, probably the easiest answer, Natsuhi and Krauss were wounded in a different way, but only died from drowning on their own bodily fluids.
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Natsuhi and Krauss didn't choke on vomit
nor did they die from drinking something... infact No fluid passed their lips at all
Natsuhi and Krauss had no wounds

I cannot deny that they didn't drown on bodily fluids... I mean, surely with any amount of fluid in the lungs, at least some of it would be bodily fluids, right? there's no way I can deny it.

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So in other words if they drowned on their bodily fluids without any wounds it would be fine.

They had an allergic reaction or contracted something like pneumonia. Either way this could cause their lungs to be filled and thus drowned by definition.
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Neither of them had an allergic reaction or pneumonia. Neither of them had any pre-existing condition of the lungs!
I wonder where Jessica gets it from?
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What if their lungs filled with bodily fluids because they choked on something solid? Like, say, an areca nut? Would that count as 'drowning'?

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If it was the fluid preventing respiration then yes...


No solid substance passed their lips either
Nor did any fluid or solid go up their noses

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Natsuhi and Krauss were exposed to some form of deadly gas. This gas damaged their lungs and caused them to fill with fluid, causing asphyxiation, or 'drowning.' Some possible examples would be nitrogen dioxide, or maybe phosgene. At any rate, they were exposed in Natsuhi's room. Krauss managed to stumble out, but Natsuhi knocked the door shut on her own run out. They then both died.

The window was broken to allow the gas to vent out in the subsequent hours.

The door was not actually locked when George went to open it.

How's that, witch?
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Ah- erm, Bravo! Natsuhi and Krauss both died due to exposure to such a gas

Krauss's death was not an accident
The door truly was locked when Battler's group got there

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Probably also a good point to introduce the next twilight.

After leaving Natsuhi's room Battler's group goes to Kinzo's study.
Before knocking on the door, Kinzo, with his mouth slightly bleeding, emerges from the room! He laughs maniacally before asking how the ritual is progressing. He then says he doesn't want to know, calls everyone a load of blasted incompetent fools and storms off
Battler's group stand dumbstruck for about a minute, and then go down the stairs where Kinzo went.

Heh, I wouldn't put it past Grandpa

At the bottom of the stairs Battler's group sees Kinzo kneeling in closely front of the portrait of Beatrice. Shouting "WHY BEATRICE, WHY MUST MY LOVE GO UNREQUITED. WHY HAS THIS DEVIL'S ROULETTE CHOSEN ME! OH DESIRE!" before vomiting profuse amounts of blood from the mouth and dying.
Battler screams before eating his final Master Key. Maria begins to laugh like a witch creeping everyone out, especially Battler.
Battler runs to the Kitchen followed by Kyrie. There he eats a couple of teaspoons and an assortment of Napkins, as well as a potted plant.

Oh and for clarity's sake
Before Battler and Kyrie went to the kitchen, "Battler's group" consisted of Battler, George, Rudolf, Kyrie, Eva, Jessica and Maria

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It's a well known fact that Battler takes after Kinzo in a lot of ways.Kinzo, just like his grandson, has an impulsive need to eat cutlery and other such small objects. While eating a knife, he was somewhat careless and the knife cut the inside of his oesophagus. That's why he was bleeding from the mouth. Then, while he was yelling like a maniac, the knife also cut the inside of his stomach. That's why he vomited blood.

This is the truth! Kinzo died eating a knife!

Alternatively, he was poisoned. But that's booooring.

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Kinzo does indeed have an impulsive need to eat small inedible objects.
Kinzo was poisoned


He wasn't bleeding from the mouth due to a ripped oesophagus

I poisoned him, I appeared right before him and spat poison from my vile tongue into his mouth using black magic.
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Wait, wait- he does? Haha, and here I thought that was funny so I said it on a whim! It would have been even funnier if he actually died from that though.

So, you admit to having a vile, venomous tongue? Even more proof you're just Eva.

Okay, enough chit-chat! Kinzo was bleeding because, just like his idiot grandson, this idiot chipped his tooth on whatever he was eating. He was poisoned by Eva, who is eager to succeed him immediately!
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Eva did not kill Kinzo

So how can I be Eva? I'm the black witch! Ahaha!

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Does food poisoning count? Maybe he died because of all the inedible things he ate.
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Dying due to eating mundane inanimate objects counts as being killed by those objects and not being as poisoned.

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Yes, just as I expected. Better to get that out of the way first though.

He was poisoned by someone who knew of his condition. That certain someone put poison in the objects Kinzo would eat.
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The culprit didn't know of Kinzo's condition.
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Kinzo poisoned himself by ingesting a poisonous substance (say, some form of bathroom cleaner since he probably wanted to check his chipped tooth). Both he and Battler's conditions are completely subconscious, and no one dared to tell Kinzo about his.

Oh, and the potted plant Battler ate was tiny, compared to many potted plants.
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Kinzo was murdered! His death was not an accident!

I figured the potted plant is like one of those small ones you'd had in a windowsill so I guess that blue is valid.
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Very well then. If the culprit didn't know of Kinzo's condition, they could probably not have trusted him to eat something laid out to be poison. Still, there's plenty of things that Kinzo could be expected to do...

The poison was placed near, on, or behind the portrait of Beatrice. When touched or inhaled, it kills. For extra points, the culprit could have made a pressure-sensitive mechanism to release the poison, triggered by Kinzo's knees hitting the floor just in front of the portrait.
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Yes. There was a layer of poison applied to the painting.

But you still don't know who put it there!

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Don't tell me it was Genji.
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Hahahaha! What an insane idea.

Genji died before the poison was placed on the painting.

So it couldn't have been him.
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So it was recent, then? Or maybe not so much.

Wait, are we talking about the portrait in the hall? I assumed the portrait with the poison was the one in his study.

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Ahahaha yes, that's interesting. There's two portraits isn't there? And yet neither the blue or the red specify which portrait.

Kinzo has been in his study for the entire game so far.
Kinzo didn't poison the portrait himself.

Do you understand which portrait now?
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Here we go, witch:

Eva solved the riddle of the epitaph, and as such gained control of the servants, and became Beatrice (which allowed her to control Maria). She ordered the servants to kill themselves, and to hide the gun using the pulley method, so that she could retrieve it later. She also got Genji's assistance prior to that to unlock Natsuhi's room, so that she could place the gas device inside.

After the deaths in the VIP room were discovered, she secreted the gun out from the hiding place Genji had gotten it.

Around that time, Krauss and Natsuhi entered her room. Eva did not know for certain that they would be the first to enter, so that does not count as 'murdering them' specifically. In a way, they died by accident. Natsuhi pushed Krauss out in an effort to save him and locked the door so he couldn't get back in. She then ran to the window and smashed it to ventilate the room. However, she died before making it back to the door. Krauss died while trying to get back in to save his wife.

Eva asked Rosa to meet by the tree. She shot her, placed the stake, and walked backwards to cover her tracks.

She was in the parlor with Maria when Hideyoshi discovered them. They got into an argument, the gun went off (world's quietest gun), and he died. Maria went to get the stake to cover up the death and the parlor room key. They exited and locked the door.

Around here is where Eva applied poison to the painting in the hall, knowing that soon Kinzo would come out, and would be the only one reasonably likely to touch the painting.

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Good! Very good!

But not quite right.

Eva didn't order the deaths of the servants.
Eva didn't place the gas device, nor did she or any of the servants lock or unlock the door.
Krauss's death wasn't an accident. It was murder.
Eva didn't kill Kinzo. She didn't apply the poison to the painting.


If someone intends to kill someone else, but doesn't care who, the intent to kill is all that matters. It doesn't matter that they don't know their target and it still counts as murder.
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