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Ok here is the next twilights.

First Thread
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Eventually after Erika had done her investigation of the second twilight and the group decided it would be best to move to Kinzo’s study. Once in front of the door Genji took out the key to the study and unlocked the door, letting the group inside the study. There to most of the adults surprise was Kinzo, sitting in his bed reading a book. It seems he has been bedridden for a while now. Genji informed Kinzo what happened. He said nothing and continued to read. Genji told the group that Kinzo hasn’t said a word for months. Everyone decided to let Kinzo rest and moved into the Study’s parlor. Genji however stayed with Kinzo.

Once everyone had calmed down the servants suggested they should make some tea and snacks. Luckily Kinzo had a kitchen built inside his study so the group didn’t have to go far. Before eating Eva made sure that nothing was poisoned. After an hour or two everyone had eaten and drank their share and during that time each had gone to the bathroom. Rudolf was the last one to go out and right before doing so he was complaining about a sore stomach. Worrying about his father Battler decided to check on him. When he left the study’s parlor he noticed that Kinzo was asleep and Genji was nowhere to be seen.

As Battler walked over the bathroom, which was across the room from the study’s parlor he noticed an envelope stuck underneath the door. Quickly realizing what this meant he started to slam on the door and call for his dad. The only thing that responded was the sound of running water from the sink. At this point everyone who was in the parlor had entered the main part of the study. After a split second explanation Battler and Krauss attempted to break down the door. On the third try the door was ripped off its hinges and fell, revealing something they did not expect…nothing. Besides the tap being left on, the drug cabinet was left open with pills scattered across the ground lying beside a bottle labeled “Stomach Relief”. Battler suggested they could have left through the window, although when he went to check it was too small for him to fit.

Erika pointed out that they weren’t focusing on the right thing, that they were incompetent for not noticing. After she then told them to smell the air. There was a faint sent coming from the Study’s library. Again the door was locked and again Battler and Krauss bashed it down. The room was dark and they couldn’t see. Erika flipped on the light to see nothing odd. As Erika looked around the room she noticed that there was few books lying around which seemed to have been pulled from the bookshelves. The window was also locked. Lastly Erika looked at the ground beside the window. There seemed to be some scorch marks there. Erika concluded this must be where the sent was coming from.

Everyone decided to go back into the main study when they saw Kinzo looking out the window. His face was illuminated, almost trance like. Erika walked over to the window and saw the source of the light. Instantly she ran out of the study. Battler closely followed as quickly as possible, but they didn’t make it in time. The thing that was on fire was a person. Lying beside it was a piece of clothing. It was a part of Rudolf's suit.

Fourth Twilight:
Genji: missing

Fifth Twilight:
Rudolf: burnt, found behind the mansion

The doors and windows in the Study's bathroom and Library were locked when Battler left the room to check on Rudolf.
If someone opened the Study's main door it would have made a sound everyone in the study would have heard.
No one heard this sound once the door had locked behind them when entering the study to when Battler discovered the letter.

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Here is a map.
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It was better in /teaparty/
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>>3811
I agree.
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>>3808
Rudolf and Genji left via the window in the main study. Kinzo or someone else locked it afterward.
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>>3830
Neither Rudolf nor Genji left through the study via the main room's window.
Kinzo did not lock that window.


Of course, as always it was done with magic.
>> No. 3840 edit
>>3831
*Neither Rudolf nor Genji left the study via the main room's window.
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Repeat it in red!

'The burnt corpse found does, without a doubt, belong to Rudolf.'
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Very well.
'The burnt corpse found does, without a doubt, belong to Rudolf.'
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>>3831
Someone remember Rosa-san's Reason X in the earlier Twilight?

I will propose Reason Y.

The culprit used the Study's Main Door. Because a Reason Y, like magic or another thing, the door opened without make any sounds.

And, of course, the culprit is not hiding himself in any place of map.
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>>3846
Hmm. I'll make one of my first reds stronger then.
The Main Study's Door will absolutely make the sound when it opens and or closes.
The culprit is not hiding in any place shown on the map.


As for the one about the door, techincally everyone used it. Although I know you mean during these twilights so I'll give this.
From when everyone last saw Genji to when Battler left the study's parlor, nobody touched the main study's door.

Additionally I'll give a bit more information.
-Found around the body as well as inside the top layer of Rudolf's corpse were shards of glass.
-Vokda was not used to commit any of these murders.
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-None of the windows or doors were removed. The exception is when Battler and Krauss broke down the doors to enter the rooms.

I know people could be busy and all but I've decided that if no one posts in the next few days or so I'll proclaim my victory.
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>>3899
Rudolf was pushed out a locked window."
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>>3900
Hmm. I expected that theory...
When the windows in the study are locked and closed there is no way for a human to pass through it without breaking the glass. All the windows were intact and were never broken.
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>>3901
Hmm.. could you please confirm a few things for me.

"Rudolf's corpse is in one piece."
"The bathroom door was locked."
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>>3902
"Rudolf's corpse is in one piece."
"The bathroom door was locked."

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>>3903
"The bathroom door can only be locked from the inside."
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>>3904
"The bathroom door can only be locked from the inside."
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>>3905
Rudolf was shoved out the window, by Genji who went out the window after him. Battler is freakishly tall, so while he could not fit through the window, Rudolf and Genji can.
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>>3906
No human in this game can fit through the window in the bathroom.

Although a witch could always just go through the wall~
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>>3907
The door to the bathroom has an auto-lock so you could open it and then leave the bathroom, making the door locked. The part that locks the door is on the bathroom side of the door, making it 'inside.'

Why anyone would want something that would make it so you would lock yourself out of the bathroom constantly, I haven't a clue. But for reason X, Kinzo did.
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>>3908
That seems like a rather odd thing for a door to have. Even though I wouldn't put it past Kinzo...
The bathroom door does not have an auto-lock.
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>>3909
The bathroom has another exit/entrance, that you have no mentioned yet, such as a chimney, dumbwaiter, hole in the ceiling or floor.

Kinzo is strange, can't put him past to have something like one of those somewhere in there.
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>>3910
No hidden passages exist in the bathroom.
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>>3911
Exactly. They are not "hidden". They are in plain sight. Everyone was just concerned that they overlooked them/forgot about them. Dumbwaiter, chimney, gaping hole in the floor. etc.
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>>3912
Heh.
None of those exist in the bathroom.
>> No. 3914 edit
>>3913
The only openings in the bathroom are the door and the window.
Of course this is excluding the drains so don't make any funny theories about them~
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>>3914
What about vents, so there is no air getting in there?
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>>3915
The was a crack under the door.
The air supply in the bathroom was never obstructed in any way.
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Alright, try and counter this if you can!

Rudolf never entered the bathroom, he went straight to the library! First he pulled a few books from the bookshelves, secretly activating the lock to the bathroom door! He then approached the window, strapped on his rocket boots, and blasted off into the sky! This left a burnt stench and scorch marks near the window! Furthermore, at the same time Genji left via the main study door. Naturally, no one heard the door open because they were too busy hearing the sound of the rocket boots instead! Unfortunately for Rudolf the boots malfunctioned and he burnt himself to a crisp, falling into the courtyard below!!!
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>>3849
>Place shown on the map
The nature of a map is two dimensional. It is possible that an area in then study is not shown on the map due to height difference. Additionally there may be a hiding spot not considered a "hidden passage" because it is not a "passage" yet someone could hide inside it.
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>>3917
God dammit Kinjo...You've hit something with that theory. Although, if you really think that is the case; How would you explain how the window in the library got locked?

After all in your theory Genji was leaving the study at the same time Rudolf blasted off.
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>>3919
Gah...your blue hits.
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>>3920
Good point. But, even that line of logic cannot stop me.

The truth is, the books which were removed were actually placed on a scale, which when pulled down by the force of weight would set the lock on the window after a set amount of time X, which was precisely the time necessary for Rudolf to blast off in his rocket boots and create the noise necessary to distract everyone from Genji leaving the main study, thereby creating the illusion that a witch teleported both of them out of their respective rooms.
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>>3922
I actually like that theory a lot, although I'll have to deny that. For more than one reason.
Rudolf was murdered.
And just so you won't say it, there was no rocket boots. I didn't want you to make some theories about it being tampered with and what not.
Finally, the door to the bathroom was locked from the inside while whatever caused it to be locked was in the room with it. No device in any other room of the study was used to lock the bathroom door.
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>>3923
Genji locked the bathroom door.

Genji is still inside Kinzo's study.

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>>3923
I'll use the term "hidden compartment" to refer to an area where a person may hide but one has one area of entrance/exit (thereby making it not a "passage") (I would assume this is above or below what is shown on the map but that doesn't HAVE to be the case)

There is a hidden compartment in the bathroom and/or library.

Also, regarding the lock on the main door: Someone was able to exit the study during the commotion caused by the bashing-down-of-doors.
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>>3924
tsk...
When Erika checked on Rudolf's corpse Genji's was not inside of Kinzo's study.
Genji locked the bathroom door.
It doesn't matter, can you explain how Genji could have left with that theory?
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>>3925
No one left during the commotion caused by the bashing-down-of-doors.
There is no hidden compartment in the bathroom.

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>>3926
>>3927
Alright, I've revised my theory a bit.

Genji and Rudolf were accomplices. Rudolf planned on leaving the study, but the noise made by the door would give him away. So he conspired with Genji. Genji set up the library as a red herring, burning the window and scattering books around. Then he set up the bathroom as another red herring, turning on the faucet and hiding in a secret compartment. Genji then died after locking the bathroom door, thus, he wasn't inside the study.

The study door actually makes two noises, once when it opens, and once when it closes. Thus, there needed to be two red herring rooms: the library and the bathroom. The sound of both of their doors being bashed down drowned out the sounds of the opening and closing of the study's main door as Rudolf left.

Then, as soon as Rudolf stepped outside, he was hit by acid rain, and burned to death.

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>>3926
That red only applies to Genji if he is a corpse. However if he is alive, that red doesn't apply at all.

Also Genji left simply after everyone else when they ran out to check on Rudolf's corpse.

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>>3929
Damn, those are both Correct.

However, as I have said Genji locked the bathroom door. How could he have left when the only other opening was the window he couldn't fit through!?
>> No. 3931 edit
>>3930
*Correct, Genji is alive.
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>>3930
The thing that locked the door was inside when it was locked. Genji caused the contraption to lock the door (the door being locked has a dual method of Genji and contraption. Genji can cause this from outside the bathroom.

I think this works, I hope I didn't misread some red somewhere
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>>3930
There exists a room, not in the map. And that room was at one point connected to the bathroom, allowing passage between the two rooms.
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>>3932
You just had to word it in that way didn't you Rudolf? Well anyway,
Genji was in contact with the object when the door was locked. The object was fully inside of the bathroom when the door was locked.

>>3933
There are no rooms in the study not shown on that map.
A hidden compartment is not a room.
Hidden compartment; a hidden spot that only has one entrance which is also the only exit.

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>>3934
For that object, it's not anything remote-controlled is it? Else Genji could be in contact with it without being in the same room.
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>>3935
No, to use it Genji had to be touching it.
>> No. 3937 edit
>>3936
Repeat: Genji was inside the bathroom when Battler and Krauss broke down the door.
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>>3936
It is possible to read under/through the door, say long arms or something
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>>3937
I cannot repeat that.

>>3938
No, Genji cannot reach under the door.
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>>3939
The door can be locked using the lock on the inside, and this can be done with the door still open. So Genji could walk through the doorway and then close the door and it would be locked.
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>>3940
The door had to be closed, only then could it be locked.
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The door was not locked via the method of the door's lock. It was 'locked' because something prevented it from opening.

I quote a meaning of the word 'locked.'

Locked - To fix in place so that movement or escape is impossible;

Also there exists a hidden compartment in the library, kitchen, closet or main study area.

Rudolf/Rudolf's corpse left through a window. One in either the library, kitchen, or closet.


But wait there's more.

The last thing to lock the door of the bathroom before it was broken down, was Genji's actual hand.

The last thing to lock one of the windows in the study's library, kitchen, and closet was a human hand.
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>>3942
The door was locked via the method of the door's lock.

There are no hidden compartments in the kitchen, closet or main area.
Rudolf's corpse left through a window. That window was not in the kitchen or closet.

Genji did not touch the lock with his hand when he locked the bathroom door.


That last blue is Correct.
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>>3943
Rudolf/Rudolf's corpse left the library via the window in the library. After this, Genji, who earlier hid in a hidden compartment in the library, locked the window.
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>>3943
The door was locked via a timed method, using the water from the sink for example. Genji turned on the faucet and then left the room. Since Genji turned it on, and the sink never left the room it fits with the current red.
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>>3945
Incorrect.

>>3944
Correct.
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>>3946
The bathroom door was locked directly. As in what Genji did, caused the door to be locked that second.
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>>3947
Yes, the door was locked directly.
It might get confusing that way so I'll try to make it clear. When he locked the door he had the object in hand, and the object was touching the lock on the bathroom door.
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>>3948
I see. I'll forgive you then, since we things are cleared up.

The way you used the red there, could have been denying the whole thing or just the example, which is why I called it nasty.

Genji and string attached to the lock, he used it to lock the door.
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>>3949
Interesting theory. However,
Nothing besides air passed under the door during this game.
>> No. 3951 edit
>>3950
Genji was not in the study's main room when he locked the bathroom door.
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>>3950
>>under

Who said anything about under.

The string went over or around the door. Maybe it went all the way out the window and then through the window in the bathroom. Or maybe out the door to the study and into the next room and then back up to the window in the bathroom.
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>>3952
refer to physic post etc.

>>3951
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>>3951
Repeat it! "Genji was in the a separate room not on the map when he locked the bathroom door!"

Genji jumped into a box when he locked the door. The box he named another room 'closet' 'bedroom' whatever. So since he was inside the box he was technically inside the box, not the main study.
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>>3954
When Genji locked the door he was not in a room that I didn't show on the map.

Lol, nice try.
Genji did not jump into a box of any kind.
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>>3955
Genji was inside the bathroom when he locked the door.

And no part of his body was outside the bathroom.
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>>3956
Genji was inside the bathroom when he locked the door.

I cannot repeat the second one.
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>>3957
Genji's body is not intact. It has been made into two or more pieces, allowing him to somehow be inside and outside at the same time. This allows him to lock the door
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>>3958
Up to this point Genji was never harmed in any way. He is intact.
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There exists more than 1 Genji, allowing them to be in 2 places at once.

The bathroom window can only be locked by any means from the inside.

The bathroom window can only be locked by a human's hand.

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>>3960
There is only one Genji.
The window locks from the inside. What caused it to be locked could have come from the outside.
The bathroom window cannot only be locked by a human. Many things can lock it.


In short, the window in the bathroom has an auto-lock. That's why Erika was disappointed in them.

So what happened? I'm sure you have a full theory about now.
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Because of an auto-lock on the window, Genji was able to "reach" into the room to lock the door using method x (some fishing line perhaps? or maybe even some ridiculous machine). The window locked itself after he closed the window. Other than that, the bathroom has little consequence on the rest of the events!
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>>3963
Hell that's close enough.
Genji opened the window to the bathroom and then tied some string to the lock on the door. Genji threw Rudolf out the library window after locking the door and then grabbed the gutter on the roof. He then shimmied over to the bathroom window and used the string to lock the door. He then closed the window which because of the 'auto-lock' locked it and then went back to the library to lock the window as well as hide in the compartment. He then left the study have everyone had gone to check on Rudolf.
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Seeing as there is no limits for this DR style of game I have decided to try this out for the next twilights; you can search the room that the twilights are discovered in using green. Again, this is strictly investigative. In other words you can't make Erika leave the room, kill someone, etc.

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Frustrated with losing another person Battler turned away from the body and decided to interrogate the group. Shockingly, no one was there. He could have sworn that they were right behind him. Erika, also surprised by this information suggested that they should go back to the study. Once there they saw Shannon waiting in front of the door trying to get in. She told Erika and Battler that when everyone left the room Jessica started to have an asthma attack and so Kanon took her to her room. She thought the others had continued to follow her but when she noticed the absence of footsteps she turned around to see that she was alone. Swearing, Battler started towards Jessica's room. Erika and Shannon right behind him.
They arrived in front of the door. Immediately Battler tried to open it, but to no avail. It was locked. Shannon pointed out that she could unlock it with her master key. She then did so and then entered the room.

Jessica's Room:
It looks like a fight took place here.
A neat and tidy bed is in the corner. Along with a dresser which the mirror to it has been smashed into pieces.
The table in middle of the room has blood on it, which trails to behind the coach.
On the door you opened there seems there was a chain lock, but it seems to have been ripped of the door.
There are two closed windows on the wall in front of you, as well as two doors on the wall to the right of you.
You can hear running water coming from the door closest to the window.

You may begin your investigation.
>> No. 3979 edit
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>>3978
Open the door where the sound of running water is coming from, and investigate the room. What do I see upon opening the door?
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>>3979
Upon opening the door steam pours out of the room. It seems this is a bathroom. As you look down a grotesque scene enters you vision.
Inside the bathtub the water is dyed red, and there are chunks of meat floating in the water. You see a foot with cut up toes as well as chunks of hair and scalp. Even with all the blood you can see that the hair looks blonde.

The shower head is still running. The tub is about to overflow.
You can't see much else inside the bathroom.
>> No. 3981 edit
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>>3980
First I'll turn off shower. Then if Erika has any tapes seals left I'll repair the chain on the door and set it. Then I'll enter the other room and see what's inside.
>> No. 3982 edit
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>>3981
The shower is now off. It seems that it is now slowly draining.
You go back to the main room and repair the chain lock, then open the other door you had yet to check.
It seems to be a closet. Inside are some clothing hanging on a rack and there happens to be one piece of clothing that fell and is laying on the ground. Other then that you don't notice anything.
>> No. 3983 edit
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>>3982
I see.

So I didn't find anyone hiding in the closet, did I? And when I checked the bathroom I didn't find anyone hiding there either?

And it's safe to assume that Battler, Shannon, and Erika were following me the whole time, right? Please repeat that in red if you can.
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>>3983
When you checked the bathroom no one was hiding in it.
When you checked the closet no one was hiding in it
While you are investigating this room Battler, Erika and Shannon will follow you. Furthermore they have not stopped following you since you entered the room.


There is none of those EP6 tricks here~tabun
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>>3984
...I see.

I go to the door with the chain-lock. Is it still set?
>> No. 3986 edit
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>>3985
Yes, it is still set.
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>>3986
<GOOD!>

The fact that the repaired chain was still set after searching the closet indicates that the culprit didn't leave through it after the chain was repaired and set! The culprit killed Jessica, then hid in the closet! After we broke in and entered the bathroom, that's when the culprit left through the unlocked, un-chained door!!! Since they were following me, there's no way the chain could be set by Battler, Erika, or Shannon, and there was no one else hiding who could set it either! Checkmate!!!
>> No. 3988 edit
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>>3987
T-that's...WRONG!
From when Erika, Shannon and Battler entered the room to when you checked the closet no one has left Jessica's room.
>> No. 3989 edit
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>>3988
Ah well, can't be helped if the solution is really this boring.

Genji is the culprit. He cut the chain to enter the room, killed Jessica, then left and locked the door with his master key.
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>>3989
That would be a boring conclusion wouldn't?
Genji's key is inside the room.
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>>3990
That may be so, but is Shannon's?

Shannon used Genji's key to unlock the door, and Genji used Shannon's key to lock it when he left! In short, they swapped keys!
>> No. 3992 edit
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>>3991
Another solid theory, however...
Shannon's master key was not used to lock the door.
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>>3992
Then what about Kanon's master key?

Genji just used that key instead!


And you never denied Shannon having Genji's key...!
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>>3993
Heh
Shannon never touched or used Genji's master key.
Genji never used Kanon's key.

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>>3994
There's plenty of ways to leave while having the door still be closed. A window, or perhaps a passage of some sort, hidden or otherwise. Also perhaps the culprit is hiding in the room still. Or perhaps a suicide/accident.
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>>3995
There was no suicide or accident.
There are no hidden or secret passages that someone could have entered or left the room through.


If the culprit is hiding in the room then you should be able to find him right? Where could he be hiding?
>> No. 3997 edit
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>>3996
Search in the closet more closely.

It is likely the clothing was knocked over when the culprit was moving through/past it
>> No. 3998 edit
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>>3997
You look at the piece of clothing in more detail.
It looks dirty and like it should have been washed a few days ago.
>> No. 3999 edit
>>3998
other then that it seems to be a normal closet.
>> No. 4000 edit
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>>3999
What kind of clothing is it? Is it Jessica's?
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>>4000
Yes, it's like the top she wears in the novel.
There are some more like it in the closet.
>> No. 4002 edit
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>>4001
Check all of the other clothing for any abnormalities
>> No. 4003 edit
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I'll investigate the trail of blood leading "behind the coach".
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>>4002
You see nothing wrong with the clothing or out of the ordinary.

>>4003
You follow the blood trail behind to the coach and find a body, faced down in a pool of blood. From the clothing and size of the body you assume it must be Kanon. Although you can see his face from here so you can't be certain.
>> No. 4005 edit
>>4004
*couch
>> No. 4006 edit
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>>4004
I'll search his pockets.

What do I find?
>> No. 4007 edit
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>>4006
You find Kanon's master key.
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>>4004
I'm assuming a typo by context and "can't" see his face. Examine the back of his body, then let's try turning him over, taking care not to disturb anything. Of course don't turn him over if there's some obvious spike sticking out, etc.
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>>4008
You take a look at the back, nothing out of the ordinary is found.
You turn over the body and confirm it's Kanon.
You also see a stab wound in his chest.
Finally you see a envelope lying where his body was.
Upon checking his eyes you see that his cornea is filmed over but not yet cloudy.
He must have died only barley a few minutes ago.

Kanon is dead.

If only you had made it in time...he probably saw the face of the culprit.
>> No. 4010 edit
>>4009
*barely a few minutes ago.
>> No. 4011 edit
Alright tells us what is in the letter/envelope.
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>>4011
Contents of the letter:
"To those who still live,
If you think you can get off this island alive you are gravely mistaken. This is your punishment for trying to take my gold. I only need a few more sacrifices and then I can revive. After then no one shall survive.
-The Golden Witch Beatrice."

After reading it out load everyone goes silent, because of this you hear the bathtub finally finish draining.
>> No. 4013 edit
>>4012
alright where is Jessica's room key.
>> No. 4014 edit
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>>4013
Jessica's key is inside the room.
>> No. 4015 edit
check tub.
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>>4015
You go back to the bathroom and check the now empty bathtub.
The chunks of meat are still there however you find two keys in the tub. Jessica's key to this room and Genji's master key.
Genji's key is broken and unusable.
Jessica's key is broken and unusable.

You also find a thin piece of rope no bigger then five inches inside of the tub.
>> No. 4017 edit
>>4016
So let me get this straight. In short, neither Jessica's nor Genji's key could have locked the door, correct?
>> No. 4018 edit
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>>4017
If you have a theory that could work using one of those keys then go ahead.
>> No. 4019 edit
>>4018
Verify that the corpse does in fact belong to Jessica.
>> No. 4020 edit
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>>4019
I refuse.
>> No. 4022 edit
>>4020
Jessica did not die, she is still alive she faked her death and escaped from the room via method X, or locked the door using method X with kanon's/genji's/her own key.
>> No. 4023 edit
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>>4022
Correct, Jessica is alive.
However, Jessica did not fake her death and she didn't lock the door.
>> No. 4024 edit
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>>4023
This corpse was murdered. The killer believed they were killing Jessica.

I'd like to check the corpse to determine cause of death
>> No. 4025 edit
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>>4024
The corpse in the bathtub was murdered.
The killer knew exact who they were killing when they did so.


You cannot check the corpse for the cause of death because the body is in rather small pieces.
>> No. 4027 edit
>>4025
*because there is only small pieces.
>> No. 4028 edit
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>>4025
Can I at least determine the gender? Blonde hair makes me suspicious though...
>> No. 4029 edit
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>>4028
Sure,
The pieces of flesh in the tub belonged to a female.
>> No. 4030 edit
>>4029
The blonde hair in the tub did not belong to the body in the tub
>> No. 4031 edit
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>>4030
The blonde hair in the tub was attached to the pieces of scalp. Although if you really want it.
The hair found in the tub was from the same body the pieces of meat were from.
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>>4031
There are components of more than one body in the tub.
>> No. 4033 edit
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>>4032
All the human parts found in the bathtub were from the same body.
>> No. 4034 edit
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4034
Alright, I think I've got this.

The corpse in the bathtub belongs to a human Beatrice.
>> No. 4035 edit
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>>4034
I had a feeling you would try that.
The corpse found in the tub does not belong to a human Beatrice.
>> No. 4036 edit
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>>4035
There's only one other person with blonde hair!
Lion!
>> No. 4037 edit
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>>4036
Lion does not exist on this gameboard.
>> No. 4038 edit
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>>4037
Then the chopped up corpse belongs to either Eva or Maria.
>> No. 4039 edit
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>>4038
Nice try.
Eva and Maria are still alive.
>> No. 4040 edit
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>>4039
...?!

What am I missing?!

Can you at least confirm for me the number of humans on the island, and who they are?
>> No. 4041 edit
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>>4040
No. But I'll give you something.

The number of people on Rokkenjima never exceeded 19.
The 19 people who were on the island at the start of the game were as follows;
Kinzo
Krauss
Natsuhi
Jessica
Eva
Hideyoshi
George
Rudolf
Kyrie
Battler
Rosa
Maria
Kanon
Shannon
Gohda
Genji
Kumasawa
Nanjo
Erika

If one of this people were to die they will still count as one of the 19 on the island.
No new people arrived on the island after the start of the game.

>> No. 4042 edit
>>4023
You jerk. You didn't let me post my theory...

I'll post it anyway.

Jessica, Genji and Kanon were all in on this together. However when Kanon found out they wanted to kill Shannon, he refused and a fight ensued. The killer fled the room with Kanon locking the door behind them, and then he went to his spot and died. Because Kanon still respected/loved/whatever the culprit he was willing to do so.

Also.

The hair in the tub belongs to Natsuhi.
>> No. 4043 edit
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>>4042
Kanon did not lock the door.
The hair in the tub is not from Natsuhi.

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>>4043
Alright, let me try a different tactic.

You said the bathtub finished draining, right?

I'll inspect the bathtub and see what's changed since I last took a look at it.
>> No. 4045 edit
>>4043
Krauss is really a woman!
>> No. 4046 edit
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>>4044
Not much else has changed since the discovery of the keys.
The shower head is still every so often dripping a red drop of water.
Some of the pieces of meat have slipped through the drain and you can hear the sound of it hitting some surface.
The piece of rope is is still there.

>>4045
Ahahaha. I guess I can see why you would say that.
Krauss is a man.
>> No. 4047 edit
>>4046
The hair in the tub belongs to Rosa.
>> No. 4048 edit
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>>4046
Alright, so it's as I thought!

Ignoring the identity of the corpse, at the time they were still alive they entered the room, killed Kanon, locked the door, and went inside the bathroom and turned on the shower. Then they grabbed some nippers and tore themselves to pieces and slipped down the bathtub's drain to escape the closed room!
>> No. 4049 edit
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>>4047
Yes,
the body/hair in the tub belongs to Rosa.

>>4048
Nice try but as you might be able to tell from the red above.
The culprit is still alive.
>> No. 4050 edit
>>4049
Rosa's natural hair color is not blonde correct?
>> No. 4051 edit
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>>4050
That's right.
Rosa's natural hair color is not blonde.
>> No. 4052 edit
>>4051
The culprit set it so the door would lock after X amount of time, by using the drain and the water pressure, by attaching the keys to string which would be tied around a weight set next to the drain, with razor edges down in the drain, so after a while of the keys hanging the string would cut off.
>> No. 4053 edit
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>>4052
Umm, yeah. That is kind of hard to understand too.
Anyway
The door can only be locked with a key.
I honestly don't even know if that denied your theory or not.
Explain more if it does not.
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>>4053
Not sure if this is the same thing Rosa was talking about, but that red doesn't deny this setup:

The culprit tied the string to the door's lock and to the drain, hanging down from that is a weight directly below the shower head and more string attached to the two keys. As the water hits the weight it'll get pushed down and razors near the bottom will eventually touch the string and cut it, locking the door and dropping the keys. Actually the keys themselevs could be the weights, thus the keys locked the door.
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>>4054
Very interesting, but it's wrong.
The door was locked with a key while the person who locked it had the key in hand and was standing in the hallway.
>> No. 4056 edit
>>4054
Yeah, it is what I was thinking, expect using the drain part. But since we are wrong, now we have to rethink our approach.

>>4055
String and needle through the pocket, pull the line the key goes under the door and into Kanon's pocket. Keeping pulling and the string comes back.
>> No. 4057 edit
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>>4056
Again, creative but
Kanon's key never left his possession.
I was going to say his pocket but then I would have to deny a theory about moving pockets~
>> No. 4058 edit
>>4057
Creative? Nope, it is a really old trick.

After locking the door they crushed the keys and then dropped them down the pipe where the water comes from. So the keys poured out of the shower.
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>>4058
The keys were not in such a state.
The keys are not in separate pieces or anything.
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>>4059
Alright, Ozaki, could you please repeat a few things for me in red?

'There are exactly five master keys.'
'Only the five master keys and Jessica's key can lock/unlock the door to Jessica's room.'
'There are no duplicates of Jessica's key.'
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>>4060
'There are exactly five master keys.'
'Only the five master keys and Jessica's key can lock/unlock the door to Jessica's room.'
'There are no duplicates of Jessica's key.'


Of course, If a key is 'unusable' then it cannot lock and or open any door.
Kumasawa's key is unusable.
Gohda's Key is unusable.
Genji's Key is unusable.
The key to Jessica's room is unusable.

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>>4061
Thanks.

Now I'll go to the windows and see if they are locked or not. And after that I'll go to the door with the chain to see whether or not the chain is still set.
>> No. 4063 edit
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>>4062
The windows are locked. The chain is still set.
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>>4063
Alright. Now that I know that the chain is still set and the two windows still locked, here's my analysis:

>From when Erika, Shannon and Battler entered the room to when you checked the closet no one has left Jessica's room.
>While you are investigating this room Battler, Erika and Shannon will follow you.
>Furthermore they have not stopped following you since you entered the room.

The combination of these reds states that, from the moment I entered the room up until I confirmed the chain was still set, no one left the room.

In other words, there are no blind spots for anyone to have left via the door after I entered.

Possibilities:

-culprit killed and left before we discovered the crime
-culprit killed and hid, then left as we were searching denied
-culprit killed and is currently hiding in the room

It's easiest to eliminate the third option first by confirming no blind spots for the culprit to hide in.
Naturally, this is impossible because Battler, Erika, and Shannon will always follow me, so there will always be a blind spot open where the culprit can move from area to area.
But there's a way around this. There's just a closet, bathroom, and bedroom.

First, I searched the bathroom, and no one was hiding there.
Then, I searched the closet, and no one was hiding there.

...So, it's possible that the culprit hid in the closet while I searched the bathroom.
And then the culprit hid under the bed or behind a couch while I searched the closet.

Actually, scratch the couch. Because that's the next place I searched, and I only found a dead Kanon there.

Wait. It's possible Kanon is the culprit. First he hid in the closet, then crawled behind the couch and died.
...Actually, the red 'Kanon did not lock the door' essentially denies this theory.
There's also the red 'the culprit is still alive', so that wouldn't work either.

...Wait...'the' culprit?
There's only one? But wasn't an accomplice needed for the first twilight...?

...And both Jessica and Genji are missing...?

>Jessica is alive.
>Jessica did not fake her death and she didn't lock the door.

Jessica is the culprit, and Genji is the accomplice.
Of course, Jessica didn't fake her death. That was Genji's doing.
Since he was the accomplice used in the first twilight -- the location of Rosa's decapitated head which was used to fake Jessica's death.

> The door can only be locked with a key.
>The door was locked with a key while the person who locked it had the key in hand and was standing in the hallway.

Well, that’s straightforward enough. And we know Jessica didn’t lock the door, so that has to be Genji’s doing. Which means he’s not hiding in the room.

But which key did he use?

>If a key is 'unusable' then it cannot lock and or open any door.

> Genji made Gohda's key unusable once Gohda was found dead.
> Kumasawa's key never left her pocket. Kumasawa's pocket never left the parlor. Kumasawa’s key is unusable.
> Shannon's master key was not used to lock the door.
> Genji never used Kanon's key. Kanon's key never left his [Kanon’s] possession.
> Genji's key is inside the room. Genji's key is broken and unusable.
> Jessica's key is inside the room. Jessica's key is broken and unusable.

…What if, right now, the key is unusable, but at the time of the crime it wasn’t? That doesn’t work.
Because all of the keys outside the room were unusable right after the discovery of their owner’s corpse, and all other keys are inside the room, which defeats the purpose of locking the room from the outside.

…This rules out all six possible keys. But we know a key was used to lock the door.

> There are exactly five master keys.
>Only the five master keys and Jessica's key can lock/unlock the door to Jessica's room.
>There are no duplicates of Jessica's key.

There aren’t any other keys to choose from.

This can only mean one thing…

…LOGIC ERROR!!!
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>>4064
If you are calling a logic error on me I believe we will need a delegate of sorts. Someone who is not solving this mystery and can confirm or deny that this is a logic error after i give them the answer.
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>>4064
Umm.. Kinjo, I believe you have a little flaw in your logic.

As you said the keys are broken now, but they could have been broken after locking the door. (Like you said)

Why would the culprit do that? There are two reasons I can think of.

1.The keys possibly could have broken after they landed in the tub. Meaning that the culprit did not expect the keys to be broken.

2.The fact that they are broken changes nothing, it still looks the same as when we find the keys in victims pockets or in letters. It makes it look like a witch was the culprit.

Also Genji's key had to be found otherwise everyone would start to suspect him. Also breaking the keys could make someone believe that this is a sign those people are dead.

I don't believe we have a logic error, but I could be wrong.
>> No. 4068 edit
>>4066
currently Genji is evaluating the outcome of Kinjo's accusation.
>> No. 4069 edit
>>4068
I see, well I don't see a logic error. In fact I can think up more blue theories that go through the reds.
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>>4066
1. Even if they landed inside the tub, they are still inside the room. So how did a key lock a door from the outside and suddenly get inside a room?

2.It's not whether or not it looks like a witch did it, since this supposed error is created strictly from red text. Humans in the gameboard wouldn't consider this a mystery. That's why it's a logic error.
>> No. 4071 edit
>>4070
Really, Kinjo? There are many ways for the key to enter the room.
>> No. 4072 edit
>>4071
Let's just wait for Genji's response, then.
>> No. 4073 edit
>>4072
Haha, it seems Genji always has to play this role.
>> No. 4074 edit
>>4073
it must mean Genji seems the most trustworthy, or maybe responsible.
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As both parties in this dispute have agreed, i'll now exercise my authority as delegate and provide a verdict in regards to the accusations concerning the possibility of one "logic error".


The primary issue of debate here, as I see it, relates to the precise nature of a definition provided by the gamemaster, namely, the red that states certain keys are to be considered "unusable".

As the plaintiff's argument is structured, this red, by way of definition, invariably predcludes the ability of said keys to perform their intended function, defined in these circumstances, as either locking or unlocking a room door, or other opening of similar constitution which could potentially serve as an entrance or exist. In this sense, the plaintiff's argument is one of absolutes- As the plaintiff asserts, a damaged or "unusable" key, by definition, is inherently unable to fulfill its intended purpose. This is clearly corroborated by the defendant himself:

Ref - (If a key is 'unusable' then it cannot lock and or open any door.)

However, an important factor to consider in this case, is that the defendant is simultaneously making an implicit assumption that this definition is applicable both forwards and backwards in time. In other words, according to the plaintiff, a status, such as that of usability, once conferred, may never be rescinded; that it bestows upon the object an irrefutably quality of existence.

This claim makes the dispute at hand largely one of interpretation. Does a key being "unusable" mean that it was never able to lock/unlock? This claim undoubtedly has a certain grounding to it. After all, is not an inedible substance impossible to consume without the onset of detrimental side-effects? In the opinion of this delegate, the answer to that question is 'no'.

My reasoning and justification for this is as follows:

The definition put forth by the defendant is purposefully crafted in the present tense; it does not explicitly make the claim that the "unusable" keys in question were never capable of performing their duties, only that the status ascribed to them bestows upon them the condition
of non-use. As statuses, also by definition, may be defined as transient states of being, their application in this context would seem to indicate that the GM's red intends to say that once a key is made "unusable", it is thereafter no longer capable of locking any door; the key's usability before this, however, remains in question.

Further corroborating this interpretation is the nature of the red truth itself. Specifically, red truth is defined as text that simply tells the truth. By this definition, the red presented by the defendant is quite valid, as an unusable key is by its very nature unusable. It is tautologically true. Whether or not the very same key could possess any functionality before it became unusable is strictly irrelevant, as this is outside of the referenced red truth's domain. In response to the plaintiff's accusations, it is important that we be cognizant of the fact that the defendant is not implying in any way that all keys are "unusable" at all times.

Ref( If a key is 'unusable' then it cannot lock and or open any door.)

Furthermore, a key, also by definition, must either lock or unlock to be considered what it is. Simply stated, a key is something that locks, and for a key to be unable to do so would rob it of its title. In this sense, The plaintiff's claims are refuted by means of reductio ad absurdum- if a key can never be said to have been functional, it was never really a key in the first place.


If the plaintiff would remain, after reviewing these facts, inclined to question the validity of the transient state interpretation as it has been described, I would implore his to reference a somewhat ironic red he so conveniently issued
himself:

Ref("nanjo is not the culprit!")


In conclusion:

This solution is fair!

Ozaki is hereby found innocent of malpractice!

This is not a logic error!

Also, Kinjo is incompetent! Kyahahahaha

My verdict is both final and binding. Case dismissed.
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>>4075
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>>4076
>> No. 4078 edit
>>4075
I lol'd. That was a fun read. And a very expected answer.

Alright time to continue then.

A hole was made in the floor/wall/ceiling and the keys were lowered into the room using it.
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>>4076
Anyway! Based on the fact that this isn't a logic error, I'll spit out a theory I'd been holding back!

Since it's not a logic error, that just means the culprit is still inside the room...!

Jessica is the culprit, and Genji is the accomplice! Genji entered the room, locked the door, set the chain, and hid in the closet. When Kanon and Jessica came by, Kanon had to cut the chain and use his key to unlock the door. Genji sneaked by the two and locked the door from behind. He then put Rosa's head, his key, and Jessica's key in the bathtub and jumped out the window! Jessica killed Kanon, locked the window, and hid in the closet until we searched the bathroom, then she hid under the bed! So Jessica, the culprit, is still hiding in the room!
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>>4075
Also, I sort of might be incompetent too, there were far too many errors in that post.
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>>4078
The keys were not lowered into the room via hole made by the culprit in the floor, wall or ceiling.

>>4079
Jessica was not inside her room when you entered. The windows in Jessica's room were never opened or closed.

>> No. 4082 edit
>>4081
rosa, reread that last blue you made. you might find something.
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>>4075
>>4080
Mother of god ...
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>>4081
Silly Ozaki!

The keys weren't lowered into the room! But there's still a hole in the floor or wall which they passed through!
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>>4084
Oh? Well then do pray tell, where is this hole oh which you speak of?
After all,
You have already found everything you need to solve this mystery.
>> No. 4086 edit
>>4085
just to clarify this referring to the room and the objects in it. Just in case that wasn't obvious.
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>>4085
You know, after draining the bathtub, you'd think the keys would have gone down the drain too.

But they didn't go down the drain, instead they went up it!
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>>4087
So you're saying that the keys entered the tub once the water was drained? Well that's interesting.
SinceThe keys were inside the tub when you first entered the room.

However I'm not going to be as cruel today. You are correct, The keys entered through the drain.
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>>4088
Something that floats was tied to the keys (perhaps the hair?). The keys were carried through the drain system into the room post-mortem and post-locking the door from the outside.
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>>4089
That's a rather surprising answer.
However there is something wrong with that theory. First off someone's hair would not be able to keep a metal key afloat let alone have it go up through the drain. At least the amount of hair that was in the tub wouldn't be able to. And secondly if something was used to make the keys float up the drain then how did it vanish without a trace? You are pretty damn close, but in any case the keys did not float up through the drain.
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>>4090
They were pulled up through the drain.

Also where does the tubs drain pipe go out.
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>>4091
Sorry for the delay, internet problems etc.

Anyway that is correct. I won't ask you for a full theory since it should be obvious.

After setting up Rosa's corpse to look like Jessica, Genji took the rope and tied one end to a weight. He then fed that end of the rope though one of the handles on the bathtub and then down the drain which had been cut so the weight was now hanging in the boiler room. He then took the other end of the rope and took it with him into the hallway where he then locked the door with his key. After locking the door he made the keys unusable. The unusable keys were then tied to the end of the rope in the boiler room. A cut was also made in that end of the rope. Once this was done Genji pulled the rope which then caused the keys to come up into the bathroom via the drain. Once it hit the handle the rope ripped leaving only the five inch piece.

This is the answer.

I'll post the next twilight on Friday. Or at least try, my internet still isn't fixed.
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Here are the last twilights. Don't worry though, there is still 1-2 more mysteries to solve after this.

-------

After taking Kanon’s key Erika, Shannon and Battler exited Jessica’s room. Shannon continued crying about Kanon and something about a butterfly broach. Immediately afterwards they heard a scream from whom they could only assume to be Maria. They rushed to where they heard the noise. After a few seconds the group reached a hallway with many doors. On one of them was a strange symbol painted in some red substance (Guest room A). Erika checked the door. She couldn’t open it so Shannon tried her key. The door started to swing open before stopping. The chain was set. Nothing could be seen from the hallway. They tried to knock the door down but the three of them was not enough so they left the mansion and went around back to enter through a window.

Once inside Erika taped over the part of window she broke. After that the three of them started to look around. Battler checked the windows, they were locked. Shannon checked the closet, nothing. Erika, a little more observant then the others caught a glimpse of something from behind the couch. It was another envelope. She opened it and a key fell out, it was labeled ‘Guest Room B’. At that moment everyone else in the room heard Shannon gasp.

It happened in a seconds, Battler and Erika looked up and saw Shannon’s neck, cut in half. She fell a split second after that and a golden butterfly broach jumped along the ground and rested at Batter’s feet. Battler and Erika had no time to react because they then heard the chain on the door jingle. Reeling their heads around they saw and heard the door slam shut.

Erika and Battler rushed out the door and unlocked the chain to enter the hallway. Another scream pierced their ears. Not even one room down was another door with the red paint like substance. It was labeled ‘Guest Room B’. Erika unlocked it with the key and entered the room. Battler made it inside before Erika and then stepped on a bunch of thumbtacks. Regretting his hurried entrance he sat down and took out the thumbtack which had gone through a rubber band, the soil of his shoe, his sock and finally his foot to taste blood. Inside the room was a mess. Dolls, toy trains, a rocking horse, an empty suitcase, a flickering tv and in the middle of it all was Maria. Dead. On top of her corpse was a key labeled 'Guest Room A'

On the wall written in blood was the message “I have revived, you shall be next.”

There are no duplicates of either one of the guest room keys.
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omg I would like to have time to read and etc
>> No. 4097 edit
>>4095
Easy; a guillotine like trap cut shannon's neck up. And Maria screamed when she stepped on the tumbtacks, which also killed her.

The wind from the force of the guillotine opened the door and closed it. Maria had the guestroom B key when she died, mystery solved.

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>>4097
Pffft, that's a silly answer and you know it.
Although I did forget to add this:
'Maria was found with a knife in her head'

Maria was not killed by the thumbtacks, the culprit took the knife and plunged it into her head.
A Guillotine like trap was not used to kill Shannon.

If that was the cause then her head should have been cut as well, and I doubt Battler and Erika wouldn't see it.
Maria did not have any key on her when she died.
Wind did not move the door to make it move, it was moved by human hands.

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>>4098
This one looks complicated.

So, to start off. Sure, there aren't any duplicates of the keys. But those keys aren't the only ones that can unlock the door, such as a master key.
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>>4099
Yes, a master key could be used to unlock/lock said doors. Although if you were to remember that 3 of the 5 masters keys are unusable and that the other 2 are with Erika's group. Ergo,
The only time a master key was used on either one of these doors was when Shannon unlocked Guest Room A's door.
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>>4100
That's helpful.

Now that I think about it, it's not really that complicated after all. For the closed room trick, the culprit would just need to do the following: unlock the doors to both Room A and Room B, place the key to Room A inside Room B, then go to Room A, set the chain and lock the door, place the key to Room B inside, and hide inside somewhere that wasn't checked, such as the bathroom or under the bed. Room B wasn't actually locked when Erika inserted the key into the lock to unlock it.
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>>4101
Hmm, well for now you can treat most of that blue as the truth. However you are missing something.
Room B was locked when Erika inserted the key into the lock in order to unlock the door.
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>>4102
Right, I suspected that part might not have been correct. This is the only thing I can think of, then: the rubber band was tied around the lock of Room B. The tack was stuck on it in such a way that when the door was shut from the outside the rubber band would snap and lock the door from the inside.
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>>4103
Guest room B was not locked in a such a way. It was locked with Guest room B's key.
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>>4104
Derp. Let's try this again, using my head this time.

For the closed room trick, the culprit would just need to do the following: unlock the doors to both Room A and Room B, place the key to Room A inside Room B, exit Room B and lock it with the key to Room B. Then go to Room A, set the chain and lock the door, place the key to Room B inside, and hide inside somewhere that wasn't checked, such as the bathroom or under the bed.
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>>4105
Correct. You solved this twilight
Although there is one small last part,
When Room B was locked Maria was dead.
Can you explain how Erika and Battler heard the scream of a dead girl?
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>>4106
Ah, cool. That's the fastest I've ever solved any mystery on /seacats/.

It's simple, the scream they heard was a recording. I had actually reasoned that out at the beginning, which led me to the rest of my theory.
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>>4107
Yes that's exactly it. It was the Tv in room B. Good work Kinjo.

I'll start to type up the next part right now and I'll make a new thread when It's done.
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