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Oh I am one yet many, I open this gameboard to defy those that deny the existence of Witches its an standard mystery So I will start with the short yet long story. Oh This game is ruled by one of the two set of rules, your objective is solving this gameboard and discovering the set of mystery rules that I am using. You can only use 50 blues per twilight.

Summary October 4:

The day of the awaited conference started, and the 10 ushiromiyas appeared on Rokkenjima's harbor, Gohda like always offered himself to escort the ushiromiyas around Rokkenjima. Kumasawa with a smile started making jokes related to mackerel and told the cousins about the importance of the fish while enjoying the view of the rose garden. Later when they entered the mansion Maria explained with delight the legend of the golden witch, Rosa didn't like that at all so she told the others to go greet Krauss and Natsuhi, after everyone left, Rosa proceeded to hit maria , while complaining
about her Uus and her behavior and her "Social life".Suddenly Rosa felt as if the hall darkened Then she heard a voice she didn't knew..... she turned and around and was shocked to see that the portrait was moving

The woman in the portrair praised Rosa for giving discipline to Maria, and offered her a deal, if she delivered the letter before the dinner she would do magic to calm Maria right now. Rosa accepted and the witch performed magic to put Maria to sleep. It was a peaceful rest.

Rosa took Maria in her back and went with Gohda Kanon and Shannon to help her carrying maria to the guest room
where she could rest.

after leavin Maria in the guest Room , Rosa went to the mansion to greet Natsuhi and Krauss.

30 minutes later George asked Rosa if Maria was awake , Rosa told him that no, and that he should ask her later

Jessica Battler George and Shannon talked about their past, and then Battler told Shannon that he came back for her to bring Shannon back with him. Jessica and in special George were shocked by the notice..Shannon was speechless since She didn't know what to do.

During the rest of the afternoon nothing special happened until the dinner, when Rosa announced the letter of the witch. The adults severely cuestioned Rosa and Maria.

After that chaos and discussions ensued.

Summary of October 5 part 1: the first twilight

Rosa woke up early and decided to take a bath and prepare herself to leave her room. Since Maria stayed with the cousins she wasn't with her.

She suddenly recieved a knock Rosa opened the room rightaway and it was Genji that had an scared face.
Rosa asked him what happened and Genji brought Rosa to the parlor Genji opened the door and Rosa was speechless

Some bodies were found in the parlor arranged as if they were sitting for tea. when Rosa saw the bodies she inmediatly recognized the bodies of 5.........they were Kanon,Jessica,Kumasawa,Eva and Natsuhi

Rosa inmediatly told Genji to cover the bodies of the 5 that were found....but Genji corrected Rosa that in fact there were 6 bodies, Rosa inmediatly recognized the last body.........It was Maria......

Rosa cried hard and started to swear that she would catch the culprit.

A red as a gift :
In this Gameboard Shannon and Kanon are different persons
Rosa is the detective of this game.
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4659
There is no closed room here. Genji went to find Rosa after discovering the bodies so anything could have happened during that time.

Additionally I have the suspicion that,
Maria died before the first night.
That's right, Maria was killed in the hallway when the "golden witch" granted her a "peaceful rest".
>> No. 4660 edit
>>4659
Maria was alive until she was killed the night of murders
Maria certainly was sleeping until that moment
This is a closed room
>> No. 4661 edit
>>4660
Can I search the room as all?
>> No. 4662 edit
>>4661
You can search in all the room.
(deductions will be spoken with purple )

There is a strong medicine odor in the room
The walls are filled with blood and blood scratch marks
Judging by the walls there was a fight
It seems they didn't have a peaceful death. the six of them have a hole in their necks
>> No. 4663 edit
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4663
The tea was drugged.

Also I would like to know where the keys to the room are and the status of the locks right before the bodies were found.
>> No. 4664 edit
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>>4660
However, you also said that Maria was questioned by the adults after dinner. And, there were ten Ushiromiyas at the harbor, but neither Krauss nor Natsuhi were present, so there is one mystery Ushiromiya unaccounted for. So there are clearly two Marias! Ozaki's previous blue is still effective!

In any case, even if it's a closed room, there's a possibility that one or more of the six people inside are not really dead. One of the fakers could construct the closed room from the inside.
>> No. 4665 edit
>>4664
There is only one Maria Ushiromiya

No one is faking their deaths
>> No. 4666 edit
>>4664
the other ushiromiya is Kinzo he alive in this game.
>> No. 4667 edit
>>4663
Poison is not involved in the murders
drinks or food are not involved in this murder
>> No. 4668 edit
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4668
Just to clarify, I'd like you to say:"no drugs were used for the murders on the first twilight" in red. Otherwise my blue still isn't denied.

Anyway, like I mentioned I still want to know:
-where the key to the room was and the location of the master keys the moment Rosa discovered the bodies.
-my blue answered about something happening during the time Genji investigated to when Rosa arrived.
-And to top it off, the status of the locks on the room the moment Rosa investigated.

Like I said before this information can easily gathered by the detective, so I don't expect you to hold out on me.
>> No. 4669 edit
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>>4668
Okay

no drugs were used for the murders on the first twilight

>where the key to the room was and the location of the master keys the moment Rosa discovered the bodies.
There are 5 masters keys and they are the only keys of the parlor.
Kanon Shannon Kumasawa Genji and Gohda are the owners of the 5 keys
Kumasawa and Kanon's key weren't used for opening/closing the door of the parlor

>my blue answered about something happening during the time Genji investigated to when Rosa arrived.

Nothing happened
also
the orders of the events were these :
1-Murders
2-Genji found about it and went to told Rosa
3-Rosa's investigation.


According to Nanjo they were killed at 01:00
Genji found the corpses at 6:00 and he went to report it to Rosa at 6:05
Rosa finished investigating at 6:35

All the servants are innocent and the 5 of them had their keys all the time.

>And to top it off, the status of the locks on the room the moment Rosa investigated.

Genji was the one that discovered the room
When Rosa Investigated the door was open
and the door opened and closed 2 times when Genji opened and closed the door and when Rosa opened the door

>> No. 4670 edit
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Let's think about why it's Van Dine's Isologue.

Reason: Van Dine's Isologue rule 2, No willful tricks or deceptions may be placed on the reader other than those played legitimately by the criminal on the detective himself.

Explanation: After Rosa's scolding of Maria, the "Witch" in the portrait praised Rosa and put Maria to sleep, that is a deception to the reader and detective. Rosa could have been hallucinating due to factor X. Regarding Maria, she was drugged/method X, by the culprit while Rosa was hallucinating, that made her sleep peacefully for a limited amount of time, then killed her. Of course Rosa, the detective, is not the Culprit.

Why it's not Knox's Decalogue.
Reason: Knox's 2nd, Knox's 1st, Knox's 4th, and Knox's 6th.

Van Dine's 11th: A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is a too easy solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

Kanon was killed, Shanon must be innocent due to Van Dine's 3rd.

The set of rules used in this story are... Van Dines Isologue!
>> No. 4671 edit
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4671
Maria died on the first twilight, but was drugged before it.
>> No. 4672 edit
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Thanks, that'll clear things up. Lets started for real.

The culprit was hiding in the room when Genji investigated, once Genji left the room the culprit did the same.
>> No. 4673 edit
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4673
Drugged/method X*
>> No. 4674 edit
>>4670
>>4672

When Genji found the murders No one was hiding in the room. there was no way to escape from the room
since Genji locked from the outside

ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO OPEN THE DOOR FROM INSIDE
(Some servants installed the doorknob badly it seems..)

The van dine rules are the ones that rule this gameboard
but one of the devices of rule 20 is disabled
>> No. 4675 edit
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4675
>All the servants are innocent and the 5 of them had their keys all the time.

Van Dine's 11th.

Knox allows for the servant to murder.

I suspect Nanjo of being the murderer.
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>>4675
Nanjo is too old to murder
>> No. 4677 edit
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4677
By Van Dine's 11th, none of the servants are the culprit.

By Van Dine's 12th, there is only one culprit.

Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, Kumasawa, and Genji are not the culprit.

Kanon, Jessica, Kumasawa, Eva, Maria and Natsuhi.. Are not the culprit.
They are possibly the Culprit's helper however.

Krauss, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Kyrie, and Battler have a possibility of being the culprit.

Van Dines 11th, there must be no love interest.. Hideyoshi and Krauss are not the culprit, the culprit is either Kyrie, Rudolf, or Battler, two of those are helping the culprit, or just don't know.
>> No. 4678 edit
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4678
And of course, Nanjo is too old to murder.
>> No. 4679 edit
>>4677
1. The reader must have equal opportunity with the detective for solving the mystery. All clues must be plainly stated and described.

2. No willful tricks or deceptions may be placed on the reader other than those played legitimately by the criminal on the detective himself.


3. There must be no love interest. The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.


4. The detective himself, or one of the official investigators, should never turn out to be the culprit. This is bald trickery, on a par with offering some one a bright penny for a five-dollar gold piece. It's false pretenses.


5. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions — not by accident or coincidence or unmotivated confession. To solve a criminal problem in this latter fashion is like sending the reader on a deliberate wild-goose chase, and then telling him, after he has failed, that you had the object of his search up your sleeve all the time. Such an author is no better than a practical joker.


6. The detective novel must have a detective in it; and a detective is not a detective unless he detects. His function is to gather clues that will eventually lead to the person who did the dirty work in the first chapter; and if the detective does not reach his conclusions through an analysis of those clues, he has no more solved his problem than the schoolboy who gets his answer out of the back of the arithmetic.


7. There simply must be a corpse in a detective novel, and the deader the corpse the better. No lesser crime than murder will suffice. Three hundred pages is far too much pother for a crime other than murder. After all, the reader's trouble and expenditure of energy must be rewarded.


8. The problem of the crime must he solved by strictly naturalistic means. Such methods for learning the truth as slate-writing, ouija-boards, mind-reading, spiritualistic se'ances, crystal-gazing, and the like, are taboo. A reader has a chance when matching his wits with a rationalistic detective, but if he must compete with the world of spirits and go chasing about the fourth dimension of metaphysics, he is defeated ab initio.


9. There must be but one detective — that is, but one protagonist of deduction — one deus ex machina. To bring the minds of three or four, or sometimes a gang of detectives to bear on a problem, is not only to disperse the interest and break the direct thread of logic, but to take an unfair advantage of the reader. If there is more than one detective the reader doesn't know who his codeductor is. It's like making the reader run a race with a relay team.

10. The culprit must turn out to be a person who has played a more or less prominent part in the story — that is, a person with whom the reader is familiar and in whom he takes an interest.

11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is a too easy solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

12. There must be but one culprit, no matter how many murders are committed. The culprit may, of course, have a minor helper or co-plotter; but the entire onus must rest on one pair of shoulders: the entire indignation of the reader must be permitted to concentrate on a single black nature.

13. Secret societies, camorras, mafias, et al., have no place in a detective story. A fascinating and truly beautiful murder is irremediably spoiled by any such wholesale culpability. To be sure, the murderer in a detective novel should be given a sporting chance; but it is going too far to grant him a secret society to fall back on. No high-class, self-respecting murderer would want such odds.

14. The method of murder, and the means of detecting it, must be be rational and scientific. That is to say, pseudo-science and purely imaginative and speculative devices are not to be tolerated in the roman policier. Once an author soars into the realm of fantasy, in the Jules Verne manner, he is outside the bounds of detective fiction, cavorting in the uncharted reaches of adventure.

15. The truth of the problem must at all times be apparent — provided the reader is shrewd enough to see it. By this I mean that if the reader, after learning the explanation for the crime, should reread the book, he would see that the solution had, in a sense, been staring him in the face-that all the clues really pointed to the culprit — and that, if he had been as clever as the detective, he could have solved the mystery himself without going on to the final chapter. That the clever reader does often thus solve the problem goes without saying.

16. A detective novel should contain no long descriptive passages, no literary dallying with side-issues, no subtly worked-out character analyses, no "atmospheric" preoccupations. such matters have no vital place in a record of crime and deduction. They hold up the action and introduce issues irrelevant to the main purpose, which is to state a problem, analyze it, and bring it to a successful conclusion. To be sure, there must be a sufficient descriptiveness and character delineation to give the novel verisimilitude.

17. A professional criminal must never be shouldered with the guilt of a crime in a detective story. Crimes by housebreakers and bandits are the province of the police departments — not of authors and brilliant amateur detectives. A really fascinating crime is one committed by a pillar of a church, or a spinster noted for her charities.

18. A crime in a detective story must never turn out to be an accident or a suicide. To end an odyssey of sleuthing with such an anti-climax is to hoodwink the trusting and kind-hearted reader.

19. The motives for all crimes in detective stories should be personal. International plottings and war politics belong in a different category of fiction — in secret-service tales, for instance. But a murder story must be kept gemütlich, so to speak. It must reflect the reader's everyday experiences, and give him a certain outlet for his own repressed desires and emotions.

20. And (to give my Credo an even score of items) I herewith list a few of the devices which no self-respecting detective story writer will now avail himself of. They have been employed too often, and are familiar to all true lovers of literary crime. To use them is a confession of the author's ineptitude and lack of originality. (a) Determining the identity of the culprit by comparing the butt of a cigarette left at the scene of the crime with the brand smoked by a suspect. (b) The bogus spiritualistic se'ance to frighten the culprit into giving himself away. (c) Forged fingerprints. (d) The dummy-figure alibi. (e) The dog that does not bark and thereby reveals the fact that the intruder is familiar. (f)The final pinning of the crime on a twin, or a relative who looks exactly like the suspected, but innocent, person. (g) The hypodermic syringe and the knockout drops. (h) The commission of the murder in a locked room after the police have actually broken in. (i) The word association test for guilt. (j) The cipher, or code letter, which is eventually unraveled by the sleuth.
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>>4679

Clarify the meaning of your statement, I am slightly confused.
>> No. 4681 edit
>>4679
ah no, nothing just posting the van dine rules.
one part of the rule 20 is not being followed by this gameboard.

also I refuse to answer your blue.
>> No. 4682 edit
>>4678

When Genji found the murders No one was hiding in the room. there was no way to escape from the room
since Genji locked from the outside

>> No. 4683 edit
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4683
Maria was drugged by the hypodermic syringe to be put to sleep, Kanon,Jessica,Kumasawa,Eva and Natsuhi were also drugged by it, then killed, there was a fight due to the fight's marks on the wall, purple declaration.

Kryie is the culprit, Rudolf and Battler either didn't know or helped.

Thanks Ozaki for the advice.
>> No. 4684 edit
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4684
Is the first twilight finished?
>> No. 4685 edit
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4685
The victims were killed by an empty needle (inject air straight into the blood giving ranging inflictions, and example could be a aneurysm), the contents was used up by Maria earlier.

Thanks Ozaki.
>> No. 4686 edit
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4686
The culprit is either Kyrie, Battler, or Rudolf, the "Dumb accomplice" trick was used with Kanon. Kanon injected air into each of the victims as they struggled, then the culprit finished them off. Therefore being the killer. The culprit escaped swiftly and joined the crowd.
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4687
Replace Kanon with Kumasawa, who had no love interest.
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>>4683
>>4684
>>4685
DID YOU REALLY THINK I WOULD USE MY OLD TRICK AGAIN FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLS *CACKLE*CACKLE*CACKLE*

AN HYPODERMIC NEEDLE WASN'T USED FOR THE MURDER


about the culprit blue I refuse to answer again.
>> No. 4689 edit
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4689
Any sort of needle was used to do so.
>> No. 4690 edit
>>4689
no sharp objects were used for this murder
>> No. 4691 edit
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4691
A dull cylinder was smashed into their necks, somehow piercing.
>> No. 4692 edit
>>4691
a cylinder didn't pierce their skin.
>> No. 4693 edit
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4693
WHOEVER SAID THERE WERE HOLES LIED. WHOEVER SAID THAT IS THE CULPRIT. I DEMAND TO KNOW WHO SAID THAT.
>> No. 4694 edit
>>4693
the victims have a hole in their neck
>> No. 4695 edit
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4695
I want a full detailed atopsy on each of the victims.
>> No. 4696 edit
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4696
I suspect a smell of medicine is in the room to make us suspect it, a trap.
>> No. 4697 edit
The six bodies have a hole in their necks , they have white pale skin.
Maria's wounds looks a little older than the rest of them.


>>4696
maybe~
>> No. 4698 edit
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4698
Occam's razor.
The culprit has an accomplice, one of the servants helped in locking the door after the victims were killed.
>> No. 4699 edit
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4699
Who cares how they died.

Battler is the murderer, Shannon, Rudolf, and Kyrie are accomplices. Regarding Battler's reason to murder.. To take Shannon back, the Ushiromiya family might not allow that, so he killed them, with the help of his family and lover. Van Dines 2nd related DIRECTLY to the Detective, my reasoning is valid.
>> No. 4700 edit
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Van dine's 3rd*
>> No. 4701 edit
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>>4698
>>4699
Shannon and Battler are innocent
since the issue of the promise was settled in the story Shannon can't be the culprit

>> No. 4702 edit
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4702
Define innocent, does innocent include helping the culprit?
>> No. 4703 edit
>>4702
innocent = zero involvement with the murders or the culprit No accomplice No murderer completly innocent.
>> No. 4704 edit
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4704
Kyrie is the culprit, Rudolf is her accomplice. Kyrie killed all of them, Rudolf helped in some fashion. You refused to answer in red before, this is most likely the closest to the truth. If you do not answer in red, this is considered victory.
>> No. 4705 edit
>>4704
Rudolf and Kyrie are innocent
I didn't want to reply since its to early.
>> No. 4706 edit
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4706
The culprit's been widdles down to Hideyoshi and Krauss..

They both had an argument with their wives, then killed their wives, then noticing that they committed murder, they teamed up and killed all the others, so that they wouldn't get caught or something. The smell of medicine is to point to Nanjo, who will be the scapegoat for them.
>> No. 4707 edit
>>4706
I refuse to say it now, just focus in the closed room.
>> No. 4708 edit
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4708
Gonna think up something that doesn't violate Van Dine's rules.
>> No. 4709 edit
>>4708
*Sigh* Okay I will grant you a green truth

Green in my games are truths that are hints.

The Closed room have a very fatal flaw
>> No. 4710 edit
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Krauss is the culprit, Hideyoshi teamed up with him because he hated Eva for X reason.

Hideyoshi is the culprit, Krauss teamed up with him because he hated Natsuhi for X reason.

The culprit with the help of his accomplice murdered the six, the culprit climbed out a window with the help of his accomplice just right before the others found this.

This is the truth if you do not reply in red.
>> No. 4711 edit
>>4710
the windows were never opened

There is not proof enough in the story
>> No. 4712 edit
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The locks/entrances are damaged in someway to allow access in and or out the room.

There is alternative entrance/exit to the room
>> No. 4713 edit
>>4712
The locks/entrances aren't damaged inthat way to allow access in and or out the room.

There isn't alternative entrance/exit to the room

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I'm handling two gameboards at once, my head's starting to hurt. I'm gonna take a 10-20 minute break if you don't mind.
>> No. 4716 edit
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The culprit was not the one to lock the room.
>> No. 4717 edit
>>4716
the culprit entered the room and closed the room
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Maria was allegedly with the cousins, and yet.. There's Maria, murdered!
>> No. 4719 edit
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4719
The culprit is Maria! Maria drugged Rosa and made her think that she saw that!
>> No. 4720 edit
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wait...
The room wasn't locked when Genji found it!

Or

The door has an autolock!
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Blah blah about my hideyoshi-krauss theory, they somehow got a double of Maria, perhaps using Ange's body who somehow managed to come, then murdered everyone.
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>>4718
>>4719
>>4720
.........arghh yes the door was certainly closed however it didn't had a lock.

Anyway how did they died? and how did Maria appeared there?
>> No. 4723 edit
>>4721

20. And (to give my Credo an even score of items) I herewith list a few of the devices which no self-respecting detective story writer will now avail himself of. They have been employed too often, and are familiar to all true lovers of literary crime. To use them is a confession of the author's ineptitude and lack of originality. (a) Determining the identity of the culprit by comparing the butt of a cigarette left at the scene of the crime with the brand smoked by a suspect. (b) The bogus spiritualistic se'ance to frighten the culprit into giving himself away. (c) Forged fingerprints. (d) The dummy-figure alibi. (e) The dog that does not bark and thereby reveals the fact that the intruder is familiar.(f)The final pinning of the crime on a twin, or a relative who looks exactly like the suspected, but innocent, person. (g) The hypodermic syringe and the knockout drops. (h) The commission of the murder in a locked room after the police have actually broken in. (i) The word association test for guilt. (j) The cipher, or code letter, which is eventually unraveled by the sleuth.
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Who is the real Maria, the one with the Cousins or whatever, or the one here?
>> No. 4725 edit
>>4724
You can interview the survivors
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>>4725

I would like to interview all the survivors.
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>>4726
Rosa search in all the room , but only Genji and Kanon are there. According to Genji they are the only ones that have been here. (You can ask them anything right now)
>> No. 4728 edit
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4728
Kanon is dead, I can't ask him anything.

I want to ask Genji what happened before, during if possible, and after the murder.
>> No. 4729 edit
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>>4728
Well, Rosa-sama,I was sent to sleep by Natsuhi-sama and Krauss-sama.
Kanon-kun and Shannon-chan went to play cards with George-sama,Battler-sama,Maria-sama and Jessica-sama.
I didn't notice anything unusual....until now
by the way when I was just about to enter I heard the laugh of Beatrice-sama on the hall-ways.
>> No. 4730 edit
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4730
I would like to ask Kanon the same thing.
>> No. 4731 edit
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>>4722
I don't understand. Maria was in the cousins room the night before. Jessica was one of the victims so we already know that someone from that room left. There isn't any mystery to how she got into the room since she entered the same way the others did.
>> No. 4732 edit
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4732
Clair, explain.. Did we miss something or did you mess up the story with a logic error or something.

Say it in red.
>> No. 4733 edit
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>>4730
Sadly No, Rosa-sama I didn't see or hear anything...

Shannon.....of all of this house it had to be you....

>>4731
Then how did they died? No sharp objects were used in the murders and a gun/chiester couldn't have been since someone would have hear the sound
>> No. 4734 edit
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4734
>>4733
How large was the wound then?
>> No. 4735 edit
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4735
I would like to ask Shannon what happened.
>> No. 4736 edit
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>>4734
http://images.wikia.com/bleach/es/images/c/c7/Ulquiorra_mostrando_su_n%C3%BAmero.png basically in this area and this size.
>> No. 4737 edit
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4737
That's no needle...
>> No. 4738 edit
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4738
The victims were killed by small bombs, when they swallowed their TEA/WHATEVER, BOOM WENT THE SMALL BOMBS.
>> No. 4739 edit
>>4738
Small bombs?

No. Small bombs weren't used for the murder
>> No. 4740 edit
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4740
Is the hole clean cut like that? Seems rather impossible.
I'm going to say that the culprit used weapon X to create the holes. Just jammed right through the necks.
Maybe use a spear like a shish kabob.

Or maybe a gun.
Simply blow the hole in there.

In any case, this game follows Dine so if it was something extraordinary then it should have been hinted.
>> No. 4741 edit
>>4740
according to Shannon and Genji no one heard anything since they were near the parlor at that
time. and if the culprit carried a gun they would have heard the sound.
>> No. 4742 edit
>>4740
nothing was jammed in the necks.
>> No. 4743 edit
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4743
The victims were killed somewhere else using method X and weapon X, then brought there before anyone was near the parlor
>> No. 4744 edit
>>4743
the despaired victims were killed in the parlor
>> No. 4745 edit
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4745
THE CULPRIT USED THE HYPODERMIC NEEDLE TO SEDATE THE VICTIMS, THEN BIT THEIR NECKS, THE SIZE PERFECTLY RESEMBLES THE SIZE OF THE MOUTH. NO WEAPON WAS USED. THE GM ALREADY ADMITTED SHE BYPASSED OR WHATEVER VAN DINE'S 20TH!!!
>> No. 4746 edit
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4746
...Maria was brought in there, then killed the same way, except she was already sedated...
>> No. 4747 edit
>>4745

go to this post : ~~

>>4688


also the culprit didn't need to touch the victims with his mouth
>> No. 4748 edit
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4748
It wasn't used for murder, it was used to sedate them, let's say one of them was having a rampage, it happens in mental facilities all the time. You can't get around that.
>> No. 4749 edit
>>4748
Certainly the six were sedated
>> No. 4750 edit
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4750
I would like to closely look at the necks, see what sort of SHAPE or THING could have done this.
Maybe something like an ice cream scoop.
>> No. 4751 edit
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4751
DETECTIVE'S AUTHORITY~ TIME TO INSPECT THE CORPSES~ MY LAST REQUEST PWEAAAAZE~~!
>> No. 4752 edit
>>4750
lol an ice cream scope wasn't used for the murders
it was something more easier~

The hole is so big that you can put your hand on it
>> No. 4753 edit
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4753
Sedation is already solved so...
The culprit punched a hole in each of the six's necks. The culprit used a baseball bat to make a hole in the victims necks. The culprit drove slightly over the victims necks. The culprit used HEAVY OBJECT X TO MAKE THE HOLE IN THE VICTIM'S NECKS!

ahaha.wav
>> No. 4754 edit
>>4753
a baseball bat wasn't used
the culprit didn't punched the victims barehanded
No heavy object was used

>> No. 4755 edit
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4755
Rosa is an accomplice. She carried Maria into the parlor herself.
>> No. 4756 edit
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4756
This requires me to know an object I may not know, such is not good practice in Mysteries.

I demand to know what objects could have done this for the game to be fair.
>> No. 4757 edit
>>4755
Rosa loves maria too much to do something that horrible
Rosa is innocent

>> No. 4758 edit
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4758
Did the culprit have to use any parts of his physical body (Like hands, feet, mouth, etc) to do this? This does not include actions like swinging. Was any of his bare body used?
>> No. 4759 edit
>>4758
the hands are involved in the murder
>> No. 4760 edit
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4760
Were they used to hold an object?

The hands were used hold a drill to drill a hole in the victim's necks!
>> No. 4761 edit
>>4760
a drill isn't involved in the murder......


Jessica is one of the victims....she wouldn't let herself be killed like that...~~~
>> No. 4762 edit
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4762
I would like to look around the room, and everything around the room, including outside, other rooms, and the hallway. Other rooms include the bathroom and other such mini-rooms. I want to find the murder object.
>> No. 4763 edit
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4763
The rest will come with me, so that no one is killed.
>> No. 4764 edit
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4764
The method of murder was Knuckle Bracers on the hands. The victims were punched by those so much until they had a hole in their necks.. Krauss bought those bracers for Jessica, for X reason he killed them all, with Hideyoshi, or vice versa. Either way, the method of murder is solved.
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>>4764
<Good> This is what happened
The culprit cleaverly managed to chase away Rudolf
Krauss Hideyoshi Rosa and Kyrie from the room leaving only Natsuhi and Eva behind....The culprit managed (while he was hiding)to lure Jessica Kanon and Kumasawa to the room
then the culprit sedated them the five of them, realizing that Rosa was away and Maria unprotected , he went to the room and imitated the voice of Rosa, George and Battler didnt turn away from the TV so they didn't see the culprit carrying the sleeping Maria to the parlor where the culprit killed maria in a similar fashion to the other 5 victims.

Congratulations, Ozaki and Beato.
>> No. 4766 edit
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4766
Before the second twilight, I would like to announce who I think is the culprit.

I believe the culprit is... Hideyoshi!

Krauss was doing something else while the "culprit" was with the others! The culprit must be Hideyoshi, Krauss is the Mastermind/Accomplice!!
>> No. 4767 edit
>>4766
its a good theory....but some hints may contradict that...
>> No. 4768 edit
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4768
Due to Rosa yelling,the survivors went to the parlor where they saw the horror, Krauss,Hideyoshi and George were shocked to see the bodies of their loved ones
they started to cry like Rosa did with Maria.
The first twilight ocurred and there were only 12 survivors.
Since Hideyoshi and Krauss were too broken to spoke and Rudolf disliked troublesome things, Rosa was in charge of leading the family. The fist thing Rosa
did was to ask her father if they could stay in the room, Kin zo denied this and
said that no since this was an important day for her Beatrice and him Rosa, tired of Kinzo's rambling about beatrice, conviced Kinzo that her beloved Beatrice would have spoken with Kinzo if she was the author of the murders..conviced by this Kinzo decided to take everyone inside the studio. After a while everyone got hungry and decided to look at Kinzo's food , but there was only enough food for one.Since Kyrie and Rudolf had experience in combat and handling guns they were choosen to go for food, Kyrie and Rudolf went for food downstairs and everyone waited for them. Meanwhile everyone discussed the possibility of a 19th person which was denied instantly since obviously there were only 18 persons on RokkenjimaAfter a while Rosa realized that the culprit may have been Rudolf and Kyrie so Rosa along with everyone decided to search for them,after a while....they realized that the door of the kitchen was locked. Gohda who had the key to the Kitchen opened the door
and was shocked to find that Kyrie and Rudolf were dead and with holes in all their bodies.

Kyrie and Rudolf are dead
Gohda is innocent

>> No. 4769 edit
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>>4768
Due to the fact that Purple Declaration can be used to lie (Only the culprit can lie, but since the culprit is a "witch"...), I can surely say that is more than 18 people on this Rokkenjima.

Without Rosa's knowing, one of the 12 people inside Kinzo's Studio scaped from there, killed Kyrie and Rudolf and get back to the Studio. Obviously, this person did not do all this by her/himself.

Due to the fact that Kinzo is already dead, someone is disguised as Kinzo. Could it be one of the 12 survivors or a 19th person.
>> No. 4770 edit
>>4769
check this post please.
>>4666

also none of the 12 except Kyrie and Rudolf left the room.
>> No. 4771 edit
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>>4770
By Van Dine #11, I discard Shannon from the category "Servant". Since she is daughter of Kinzo and Beatrice II, she has Ushiromiya blood and then can be the Culprit.

By Van Dine #17, the Culprit must not fell guilt by any murderer commited. This means that none of Ushiromiya can be the culprit, with Kinzo and Shannon exception! (Since Shannon wants to revenge against all of them and Kinzo is a crazy old man that wants to sacrifice everyone to ressurect Beatrice)
Even if you murderer all your family, you'll feel a little of guilt.

By Van Dine #11, the servant cannot be the culprit! Since Terumasa Nanjo isn't a servant, he can be the culprit!


In the end, I say: Due to all this Van Dine, I say that Shannon is the culprit!

Due to all this Van Dine, I say that Ushiromiya Kinzo is the Culprit!

Due to all this Van Dine, I say that Terumasa Nanjo is the Culprit!

>> No. 4772 edit
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>>4770
The survivors split up while searching for Kyrie and Rudolf. During that time, the culprit managed to slip away from everyone else and kill them.

If the room really has no unlocked entrances, the door could have been locked using the master key from Kanon's or Kumasawa's corpse, or by borrowing or stealing one from a living servant.
>> No. 4773 edit
>>4771
YASU DOESN'T EXIST IN THIS GAME
Basically in this kakera Shannon and Kanon are another kanon and Shannon who happen to have the same profiles as the one Yasu created.

There are not enough clues to point them as the culprits, due to van dine 11 Shannon Kanon Kumasawa Genji and Gohda are innocent, Nanjo is a guest not a servant
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>>4773
However, Shannon Kanon Kumasawa Genji and Gohda can be accomplices, since by Van Dine Icosalogue, The Culprit is the one that commited all murderes and is responsable for everything. In this way, we can say that Van Dine Icosalogue features Accomplices as innocents.

Since only Kyrie and Rudolf were the ones to left from Kinzo's Studio, I say that they were killed by a trap.
>> No. 4775 edit
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>>4774
check this post please.

>>4703

also
Certainly they were lured to the kitchen.
So technically the locked room is a trap therefore
technically they were killed in a trap...
but not by a trap since
BUT ZEPAR AND FURFUR ARE INNOCENTT~~~~~~~

>> No. 4776 edit
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4776
>>4775
Kitchen's window was never locked. When everyone was trying to unlock Kitchen's door, the Culprit used Kitchen's window to kill Kyrie and Rudolf.

The Culprit killed both after the door was unlocked, without anyone see.
Also, s/he used a Method X to kill both. By Devil's Proof, I don't need to say what is this Method X.

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>>4777
And what about my second blue? This red doesn't deny the fact that s/he killed both after the closed room was broke.
>> No. 4779 edit
>>4778

Van dine 20 H)
>>4679
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>>4779
>The commission of the murder in a locked room after the police have actually broken in.
>Police
>Police
>Police
>Police

NO ONE THERE IS A POLICE OFFICER! THIS MEANS THAT MY SECOND BLUE IS STILL VALID!
>> No. 4781 edit
There was a sweet aroma and the floor was sticky
>> No. 4782 edit
>>4780
In this game the survivors will fullfill that Role
>>4772
about your first....
Van dine 20

also...
also the culprit didn't need to enter to the room to kill them both
>> No. 4783 edit
>>4782
The culprit killed both of them with poison gas.
>> No. 4784 edit
>>4783
the culprit didn't killed them with poison gas.
>> No. 4785 edit
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4785
I would like to look around the room, and have an autopsy of the bodies. I want to search for all Hidden Devices X, and know all smells, feelings of the room. Basically, give me the setup.

Also, I want an interview from everyone there, need to cross-check. I would like to ask everyone there what happened before, during, and after this.
>> No. 4786 edit
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>>4785
>I would like to look around the room, and have an autopsy of the bodies.
>I want to search for all Hidden Devices X, and know all smells, feelings of the room. Basically, give me the setup.
there is a shatered glass jar
Kyrie and Rudolf have deep holes in all their body they look like small bullets however according to nanjo there are no traces of gunpowder
There is a sweet smell on the room and the floor is sticky


>Also, I want an interview from everyone there, need to cross-check.
>I would like to ask everyone there what happened before, during, and after this
You interview everyone about what they were doing but all tell you that they were locked with Kinzo
Genji Gohda and Shannon were the last to be on the kitchen
>> No. 4787 edit
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4787
The sticky floor is irrelevant, the jar was smashed, the floor is sticky due to the contents of that jar spilling.

The contents of that jar was used to propel high-speed small-bullet-sized object X using held device X, for some reason the culprit didn't want to use a gun.
>> No. 4788 edit
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>>4787
certainly the Jar is involved in the murders
and obviously the Culprit didn't need a weapon.
Bullets weren't needed for the murder

>> No. 4789 edit
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4789
The culprit used a demonic stake to stab the victims. If that doesn't work, used sharp-weapon X to do the deed.
>> No. 4790 edit
>>4789
a sharp weapon wasn't used
>> No. 4791 edit
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4791
The culprit used whatever was in that jar with something else to make it acidic/whatever enough to burn the victim, thereby making a small bullet-sized hole. (Unless what's in the jar can already do that.) Another theory is a super ulser, using stomach acid.
>> No. 4792 edit
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4792
>>4791
what was in the jar ,didn't kill the victims but assisted in the murders-
>> No. 4793 edit
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4793
The substance from the jar was used to sedate/whatever them so that the culprit could kill them with ease. The culprit used something acidic on the victims to make bullet-like holes. Otherwise, the culprit used the Knuckle Bracers like the last murder, perhaps the Knuckle Bracers are not sharp, but rather round.
>> No. 4794 edit
>>4793
Knuckles bracers were used for the first twilight BUT NOT IN THIS ONE
As I said it assisted in the murder but it didn't killed them.
>> No. 4795 edit
>>4793
the holes killed them, but the contents of the jar
didn't made them.

>> No. 4796 edit
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4796
You still haven't answered my question about the jar's contents being used to sedate them, or something similar to that effect.
>> No. 4797 edit
>>4796
the contents of the jar didn't sedate them ,but maked easier to kill them.
>> No. 4798 edit
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4798
The contents of the jar made the floor slippery at first, which caused the victims to slip, which caused them to crash into trap X or object X causing the wound. The culprit killed them by spilling the jar, a technicality.
>> No. 4799 edit
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4799
The culprit drilled a hole into the victims with one of his body parts.

Lewd.
>> No. 4800 edit
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4800
Rudolf "helped" kill, or killed Kyrie because he was the Mastermind/Culprit/Accomplice. Kyrie "helped" kill, or killed Rudolf because she was the Mastermind/Culprit/Accomplice.

They had a fallout and killed eachother.
>> No. 4801 edit
The contents of the jar made the floor slippery.

There wasn't a trap to murder people.

The culprit didn't drilled a hole into the victims with one of his body parts.
>> No. 4802 edit
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4802
>>4800
Ok, what about between Kyrie and Rudolf, you said they were dead, not innocent.

Rudolf/Kyrie could be the Mastermind/accomplice/culprit. Perhaps one of them noticed and killed the other, and they died at the same time.
>> No. 4803 edit
>>4802
Kyrie and Rudolf are Dead. and they are innocent
Kyrie and Rudolf are not faking their deaths
Kyrie died first and Rudolf later
Kyrie didn't kill Rudolf
Rudolf didn't kill Kyrie
>> No. 4804 edit
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4804
To clarify, were Kyrie and Rudolf murdered?
>> No. 4805 edit
>>4804
They were murdered
>> No. 4806 edit
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4806
The murder weapon could be an ice cream scoop, I demand to know the size of the hole. Small bullet could mean anything.
>> No. 4807 edit
>>4806
they were smaller than a bullet hole
over all the body.
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4808
>>4807

They..
They..
They..

That's more than one~

Something akin to a shot gun.. Marbles?

The culprit killed the victim with marbles/something similar on the floor, in which the victim slipped onto due to the slippery floor!
>> No. 4809 edit
>>4808
as I said there was a trap to make easier the murder, but there wasn't a trap that could kill
>> No. 4810 edit
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4810
You misunderstood.

Right before the victims slipped, the culprit threw multiple round-object X onto the floor in which the victims FELL on.
>> No. 4811 edit
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4811
>>4810
The culprit wasn't in the kitchen when those murders occurred.
>> No. 4812 edit
Both are dead
None of them killed each other
The floor is sticky , and there is a sweet aroma
a mysterious broken glass
No one except the victims were in the kitchen
>> No. 4813 edit
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4813
Did the culprit cut a hole in the wall of the kitchen, then did X while the victims were inside?
>> No. 4814 edit
>>4813
what killed them was "waiting" for them in the kitchen

OBVIOUSLY THE GOLDEN WITCH WHO ELSE?
>> No. 4815 edit
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4815
...Repeat it in red: "This twilight follows Van Dine's Icosalogue."
>> No. 4816 edit
>>4815
The Twilight follow Van Dine.
>> No. 4817 edit
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4817
The culprit's helper was in the kitchen, waiting for them, let's kill it "Beatrice". Beatrice's hands were controlled by the culprit's string, like a puppet. The culprit made Beatrice kill the victim using method X. Before that, Beatrice broke the glass and the contents flew everywhere, perhaps it made whoever was in there calmer or made them lose balance, either way.
>> No. 4818 edit
>>4817
This is what happened :

The culprit talked with Kumasawa Shannon and Genji and realized that there was no sweet things in the kitchen and Gohda told him that
due to a plague of fire ants, they stored that in another room near the kitchen, since the plague
was discovered yesterday (October 4) they couldn't fumigate, but they could avoid the plague, by avoiding sweet things. Knowing this , the culprit went for some honey and put a little trap in the door.

Kyrie and Rudolf opened the door and were bathed with honey. Since the Kitchen's door had an autolock they were trapped in the room......and the plague of fire insects attacked Kyrie and Rudolf

>> No. 4819 edit
>>4817
Congratulations btw.

4th twilight will be posted tomorrow.
>> No. 4820 edit
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4820
THE ANTS ARE ACCOMPLICES, ACCOMPLICES CANNOT MURDER, THE CULPRIT CAN ONLY MURDERER. ANTS CANNOT WEAR KNUCKLE BRACERS.

The murderer is the culprit, the ants are not the culprit, accomplices must not murder.

Van Dine's 12th.
>> No. 4821 edit
>>4820
As they cannot murder they don't count as accomplices also.
>>4794
>> No. 4822 edit
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4822
Even if the ants aren't accomplices, there cannot be two murderers in this game. The murderer is the culprit, and vice-versa.
>> No. 4824 edit
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4824
I'm saying this isn't fair, Battler didn't just get to say, "Oh woops, that's an error, I'll go change the story now!"
>> No. 4825 edit
>>4824
>murder:The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

In other words this solution works. They were not murdered.
>> No. 4826 edit
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4826
Van Dine's rules, the victim MUST be murdered.
>> No. 4827 edit
>>4826
It only says it cannot not be an accident or a suicide. The ants killed Rudolf and Kyrie on purpose, but since they are not human it doesn't count as a murder.
>> No. 4828 edit
>>4827
It only says it cannot not be an accident or a suicide. The ants killed Rudolf and Kyrie on purpose, but since they are not human it doesn't count as a murder.
>> No. 4829 edit
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Van Dine's 12th: Nothing says the culprit has to be a person, logic error still exists.

Van Dine's 10th: The culprit must be a person, logic error still exists.
>> No. 4831 edit
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4831
Do that and there will be more logic errors, disabling it now means disabling it for the entire game.
>> No. 4832 edit
>>4829
Culprit is the mastermind that planned everything
he himself may commit the murders but sometimes he may rely on one person to do the dirty work.

Accomplice he may assist or directly participate in the murders and he may or may not be human.

>> No. 4833 edit
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I give up on the logic error, it's not worth my time and is tearing the friendship apart.

Lion, you win this game, let's have fun from now on, alright.
>> No. 4835 edit
>>4833
I am sorry too , don't worry I should have defined
the culprit and accomplice

but hey, you solved this murder,so far you progress is okay, so don't feel bad? It was my fault for not being specific.

also The concepts I said will be for all the twilights.
>> No. 4859 edit
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I can't wait for the next twilight~
It'll be awesome~
>> No. 4860 edit
Rosa realizing the issue with the fire ants conviced Battler to let the ants eat the corpse of his parents. (by the way in this kakera Battler is aware that he is Kyrie's son ) Battler with a silent cry accept this, and put an autolock again.

Rosa then take everyone back to Kinzo's room.....meanwhile Hideyoshi look at the door of the parlor, he is broken due to the loss of his wife.Rosa tells Hideyoshi to come with her.....

Rosa turn away and tell everyone that they are going to take refuge in Kinzo's room

2 hour later in Kinzo's room Shannon mentions that she didn't know that armors in medieval times had alot of resistance.

George with a smile replies that armors are awesome and mention that his father is an expert in this matter, George call for his father......but there are no reply

Everyone realizes that Hideyoshi didn't come with them.

Rosa and the rest in a hurry left from the room........then they heard a conversation between Hideyoshi and someone else....

-YOU KILLED MY WIFE YOU BASTARD I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOUI CAN'T BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE THAT YOU EXIST
-Problem Ushiromiya Hideyoshi?!!!!!
We will settle all this like people with honor
So will you challengue me?!!! THEN LET THE DUEL START
*CACKLE*CACKLE*CACKLE*
......................................

George was the first one to run to the room where hideyoshi was. he was lying there with a Stake, the stake contained the word "Asmodeus"

Ushiromiya Hideyoshi is currently dead and was killed
>> No. 4861 edit
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>>4860
>> No. 4862 edit
a typo when Hideoyoshi is yelling he says : Someone like you exist.
>> No. 4864 edit
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Beatrice killed Hideyoshi, of course, no magic was involved. Beatrice is no one but Beatrice. I KILLED HIDEYOSHI!

Ahh yes.. If my memory serves my right, I remember why I started this in the first place, I was X (X being servant grandchild, or grandchild that is known/secret), I learned that I was not born of X (X being of Krauss or Kinzo) and Natsuhi, I overheard a conversation between X and X (The two X's being the two people who talked). They said I was born of Beatrice (2) and that Natsuhi was not my birth mother, or whatever. I decided to kill everyone because I learned that.. And of the horrible thing Kinzo did to my mother.

Ahh yes, I also remember how I murdered Hideyoshi, I killed him with my favorite stake, "Asmodeus", then escaped using method X. *Cackle* *Cackle* *Cackle*

WHO ELSE BUT ME COULD HAVE COMMITTED SUCH A LOVELY MURDER?! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
>> No. 4866 edit
>>4864
Beatrice killed Hideyoshi, of course/r]
Beatrice is the name the culprit useswho may or may not be human
As I said , Yasu don't exist in this game, except the promise.....

In this Kakera Kinzo didn't had sex with his daugheter Beato II Therefore Yasu can't exist

The stake was something decorative for the sake of fullfilling the murder of the 4th twilight but it wasn't what killed hideyoshi.
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I must have been thinking of another family I murdered.

Was the person who was talking to Hideyoshi a male or female? This is determinable by voice.
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>>4867
It sounds like a older woman.
>> No. 4869 edit
>>4868
This is guaranteed with this red
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4870
I am still Beatrice, I am not Yasu. I am Beatrice. I killed Hideyoshi. This refers to both Beatrice 1 and 2.

List in red all the people who have 100% died.
>> No. 4871 edit
>>4870
No one is faking their deaths

This chart contains who is alive and who is dead
>>4861
with certainty this chart reflect the status of each member of the household
>> No. 4872 edit
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List the names of everyone on the gameboard.
List the social-statuses with the names of everyone on the gameboard. (Ushiromiya, servant, guest, etc.)

Also, I would like a full inspection of the room, and a full autopsy/inspection of Hideyoshi.
>> No. 4873 edit
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Is Kinzo dead?
>> No. 4874 edit
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4874
Kinzo is the culprit, this is a ritual to revive his Beatrice!
>> No. 4875 edit
>>4872
As I said that Chart reflect the stats of everyone

Kinzo is alive
Krauss is alive
Eva is dead
Rudolf is dead
Rosa is alive
Kyrie is dead
Hideyoshi is dead
Natsuhi is dead
Jessica is dead
George is alive
Battler is alive
Maria is dead
Genji is alive
Shannon is alive
Gohda is alive
Kumasawa is dead
Kanon is dead
Nanjo is alive


The room is again the parlor in which the six of the first twilights were
found.

Hideyoshi was found with a stake in his forehead
he also had a pale face and great creepy smile

>> No. 4876 edit
>>4874
Kinzo is too old to murder
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>>4876

And with that.. There can only be one person, unless I'm horribly mistaken.

Krauss is the culprit.
>> No. 4878 edit
>>4877
For now I refuse to repeat it on red...
until we reach the last twilight.
>> No. 4879 edit
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4879
You've refused to say Krauss is the culprit since the first twilight.

I demand you say it in red, so the rest of the Ushiromiya family can survive. I should have demanded this earlier!
>> No. 4880 edit
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>>4877
Nihihi─ Is there any reason Krauss is the culprit, nyeh? Or is the great golden witch just mindlessly guessing like a certain red-haired idiot we know, nyeh?
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>>4880

*Cackle* *Cackle* *Cackle*

In the first twilight we deduced the culprit to either Hideyoshi or Krauss, All the other's are innocent, or dead.

Krauss didn't have an alibi for the time.
Krauss has many reason to murder.
Clair refused to answer with my last theory about Krauss/Hideyoshi in the first twilight.

I won't stop thinking just because I'm 99% sure Krauss is the culprit.

It could be a Battler, perhaps Kanon is Battler, and on the gameboard thingy picture that Clair showed that Kanon was dead, but Battler was alive. Kanon was Battler, and Battler was Kanon!

Therefore, Battler was innocent, and Kanon killed them, Kanon wouldn't be a slave in that case!
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Slave - Oops

Replace it with servant.
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>>4881
How cunning, nyeh. Could it be she's really worthy of the name? Nihihi─

However, there is a flaw, nyeh. Krauss could refer to the position of family head after Ushiromiya Kinzo. Therefore, it is entirely possible another entity took up the name 'Kraus', whereby the name was used interchangably in the red! Such a trick would be child's play, nihihi─
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I'll put it in blue...

Natsuhi needed a baby 19 years ago.
Kyrie and Asumu didn't have still births, Asumu's real baby was switched, then switched agian for X reason with Kyrie's real baby, and made Kyrie look like she had a stillbirth. Asumu's baby was sent to Natsuhi, who sent the baby with the servant, who died, the baby was found by Genji. Genji consulted Nanjo to fix the baby up, then put the baby in the servant orphanage (Forgot name). You get the idea.

>> No. 4885 edit
>>4881
such things aren't possible
The are only 18 persons on rokkenjima
no more no less than just 18 and currently 9 are dead. so therefore those that I mentioned that are alive are alive.


Also the theory will be confirmed in the tenth twilight.
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>>4883
What about that theory, Clair!?
>> No. 4887 edit
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4887
Nihihi─ so what mystery are you solving right now anyway, nyeh?
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>>4887
How Krauss is not the culprit.
That's what I'm trying to solve, in case Ms. GM decides to do a troll red (I mean refusing to answer the entire time just to get me to completely trust in my Krauss theory, then shatter all hope and make me believe that magic killed them).
>> No. 4889 edit
>>4884
Such baby don't exist



>>4887
Hideyoshi was found with a stake in his forehead
he also had a pale face and great creepy smile
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>>4889
So, someone marched up to him, staked him in the head and then went on their merry way. Mystery solved, nihihihi─
>> No. 4891 edit
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4891
>Pale face

Hideyoshi has been dead for a while, withing 2 hours. Hideyoshi was drugged, perhaps a drug that makes you laugh/smile unnaturally, the same applies for a gas. After that, the culprit, stuck the stake in Hideyoshi and left, there was a recording that he just happened to predict when they'd come. Informant perhaps. Left the recording on then left.
>> No. 4892 edit
>>4890
that would be the easiest solution, however....
Hideyoshi was alone

all of the survivors except hideyoshi were with Rosa.
>> No. 4893 edit
>>4891
ffffffffffffffffff I didn't think you would solve it that quickly.......
>> No. 4894 edit
>>4891
since this day was for the fourth Twilight I will post the fifth twilight in 3 hours.
>> No. 4895 edit
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>>4892
So my solution was correct. Just that it happened some time ago, nyeh. What a silly mystery, nihihihi─
>> No. 4896 edit
>>4895
I knew it was too easy...but well...gah
However I have more impossible murders~
>> No. 4897 edit
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4897
You didn't say it in red, but I'll respond.

Krauss/Culprit set Trap X to kill whoever walked into that room, or perhaps expected Hideyoshi to walk in and set the trap. Either way, Hideyoshi walked in, opened the door, the door had something connecting to it to set off Trap X, then part of Trap X put the Dagger in his head, the dagger was drugged/poisoned with a drug that makes you laugh/smile unnaturally.
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4898
Oh ok I see. I already got it.

I didn't sleep last night so I'm in rapid-thinking mode lol.
>> No. 4899 edit
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Nihihi─ I almost feel like upturning you riff-raff with a gameboard of my own, rife with mean tricks and silly, impossible wordplay that'd make George proud, nyeh~

Well, throw the next one in, nyeh! I want to play, nihihi─
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>>4899

I hate wordplay, but can solve it.
>> No. 4901 edit
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>>4900
I'll assert you cannot solve it if I go full force wordplay, nihihi─
>> No. 4902 edit
>>4897
That is right
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>>4901

I guess we'll have to test that...

For now, you should have a crack at my game.

There's pretty much no wordplay (Unless by accident) in it.
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