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4962 No. 4962 edit
Since the other thread already hitte 200 post
I will post in this new one.....

George devasted with Hideyoshi's Death cried loudly due to the death of his father

Rosa hugged George and took him with others to Kinzo's room.....but when they returned they realized that Kinzo was missing and that his room was locked, since The only key that could open that door was Genji's master key

Genji opened the door, and saw that Kinjo was burned completly,

-a closed room Battler said

George and Krauss checked the windows and told the others that the windows were never opened.

and that certainly Kinzo followed them to witness Hideyoshi's death

Also Kinzo did had a master key but he didn't have it when he followed them

There was a opened letter that said the following : Praise my name.


How did Kinzo entered the room?

What happened to his master key?

There wasn't any fire source.
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>> No. 4963 edit
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I want to know these things in red.

-Is Kinzo really dead?
-Is the burnt body really Kinzo's?
-Where was everyone when this happened.
-What happened before, during, and after this happened.
-Cross-Checks from everyone stating where the others were.
-This still follow's Van Dine's Isacologue.
-All details and senses of the room, inside and outside it.
>> No. 4964 edit
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT

>Kinjo

Kinzo is a title, Nanjo took it on right before dying via flame. Nanjo is a title now also, Kinzo took the title of Nanjo, and killed Nanjo by burning him with method X earlier then had accomplice X drag him into the room.
>> No. 4965 edit
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Kinzo became Kinjo when he was burned, Nanjo is old, but he can light a fire. That also works the other way around, and "Nanjo" is now Kinjo.
>> No. 4968 edit
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-Is Kinzo really dead?
Yes he ir dead
-Is the burnt body really Kinzo's?
That is Kinzo's corpse
-Where was everyone when this happened.
Mourning Hideyoshi's death
-What happened before, during, and after this happened.
Before: The events of the 4th twilight,After:Everyone alive took refuge in the guest house
-Cross-Checks from everyone stating where the others were.
George, Battler, Shannon,Nanjo, Krauss , Genji, Gohda,Kinzo and Rosa witnessed Hideyoshi's corpse




-This still follow's Van Dine's Isacologue.
According to me,yes,but maybe not

-All details and senses of the room, inside and outside it.
Kinzo study is as described in the canon games, a mini house with a bathroom , a Kitchen,a Bedroom and the study itself, but its irrelevant since the murder took place in the study part of the study. The room is a mess, a tons of ropes are on the floor and walls.


>>4964
>>4965
that was a typo Kinjo don't exist in this game and Nanjo is innocent sorry about that besides even if that was true it goes against the van dine rules that the author cannot trick the reader , only the culprit can
>> No. 4970 edit
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4970
Where do these ropes lead to?
>> No. 4973 edit
>>4970
to no place they are only hanging from the walls
and some are on the floor, some look broken.

>> No. 4974 edit
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Kinzo's corpse was tied up, then dragged there by the culprit, who killed Kinzo earlier with fire. Perhaps he was drugged/sedated first, to make it easier. After dragging Kinzo's heavy corpse with the rope, he cut the rope for X reason, then left using method X.
>> No. 4977 edit
>>4974
Kinzo went to his room walking
and as a extra hint :
Kinzo is innocent, but he is insane,in a non dangerous way
>> No. 4978 edit
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4978
Kinzo complied with the culprit for X reason, and let the killer/tied himself up on the wall/ceiling, then the culprit killed Kinzo with fire. Also, since the ropes are cut, the culprit cut the ropes so that Kinzo could burn, but the ropes can be saved! Because you know, ropes are precious man.
>> No. 4979 edit
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Complied doesn't mean accomplice, by the way.
>> No. 4980 edit
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>>4978
Kinzo was burned certainly , but not with fire.
Kinzo was lured to the room

the ropes are certainly involved in the murder
>> No. 4981 edit
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It's probably something like this...

Kinzo was lured by an illusion of his insanity, who he though was Beatrice. That illusion just happened to wonder into his study, where a trap was placed using rope and something acidic, if not acidic.. Substance X.

My theory of the trap.

Kinzo opens the door, or X when he enters the room, perhaps triggers something when he sits down in a chair. That makes the rope he possibly didn't notice/didn't care about trap him, while acid/substance X is poured on him, which causes him to burn into what he is now, also causes part of the ropes to burn, therefore being "cut".
>> No. 4986 edit
The method of murder is right

However.....Kinzo didn't have his key when he was with the others
Only Genji had its key with him



In the end.....How did Kinzo entered the room?

What happened to his master key?

The answer is obvious.........GAAP HELPED KINZO.
>> No. 4987 edit
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4987
George stole the key from Genji and gave it to Kinzo, alternatively, there are two keys, Kinzo let George hang on to it, and asked for it back right before he left.
>> No. 4990 edit
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>>4987
Kinzo left the key and never took it,
Genji and Shannon will never gave their keys to someone else

Kumasawa and Kanon's key were destroyed after their bodies were discovered and
Currently none of the Survivors except for Genji and Shannon are holding a key.

Kinzo's key was in the same place he left it
>> No. 4995 edit
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4995
Where is Kinzo's master key currently?
>> No. 4997 edit
>>4995

>>4990
Last sentence
>> No. 5001 edit
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It's simple, he went "through" the door. USING THE SAME SUBSTANCE X THAT KILLED HIM.

He burned a hole in the wall. Broke a hole in the wall to go through, etc.

Are there enough clues for me to discern how he entered?
>> No. 5003 edit
>>5001
Rosa mentioned what you said, but Battler and Shannon checked the door and there wasn't a hole in the door
>> No. 5005 edit
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Tripwire. Kinzo tripped over the tripwire, which made the door open, it connected to the door by X. The door was unlocked from the inside, as if it was magic, to Kinzo of course. But in reality, a tripwire he tripped on opened it up.
>> No. 5008 edit
>>5005
the traps where inside the room, No traps were in the in the hallway
>> No. 5011 edit
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>>5008

Not a trap, a device to open the door.
>> No. 5012 edit
>>5011
The only deviced that the door has is the autolock one,its impossible to pick that lock or install another device....in short words:No device like that exist...
>> No. 5015 edit
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I'll state it again.

There are not enough clues to pinpoint this, or the narrative does not show.
>> No. 5024 edit
>>5015
>There are not enough clues to pinpoint this, or the narrative does not show.

There are enough Clues to pinpoint this

In a previous twilight I mentioned that Kinzo's door had an autolock
The only device that could open the door is the autolock, and only the key can open the door of Kinzo's study
>> No. 5027 edit
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Good.

The door was never closed. Kinzo just waltzed right in, believing Beatrice opened it up with her magic.
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>>5027
Certainly The door was opened , but how was this possible?
>> No. 5031 edit
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5031
Isn't it obvious, the culprit made the trap, then walked out forgetting to close the door or something.
>> No. 5041 edit
>>5031
Rosa herself locked the room
>> No. 5046 edit
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5046
Did Kinzo himself open the door?
>> No. 5047 edit
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>>5046
but before saying it in Red I would like to hear what theory do you have in mind.
>> No. 5049 edit
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It's simple.

There's a secret button/X that he can X to get in. Not too hard to make, it goes to the autolock, and unlocks it.

Also, another theory is this.

KINZO IS ALREADY IN THE ROOM, HE NEVER LEFT. PERHAPS SOMEONE WAS ACTING HIM OUT, PERHAPS KRAUSS!!!
>> No. 5050 edit
>>5049

>There's a secret button/X that he can X to get in. Not too hard to make, it goes to the autolock, and unlocks it.
The only way to open the door is using the key

>KINZO IS ALREADY IN THE ROOM, HE NEVER LEFT. PERHAPS SOMEONE WAS ACTING HIM OUT, PERHAPS KRAUSS!!!
Kinzo left with the other
When Everyone left to search for hideyoshi
no one stayed in the room

>> No. 5051 edit
(Also the Will of your gameboard isnt me)
>> No. 5053 edit
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>>5050

Remind me, who's "the other" The.. culprit~

Also ok.
>> No. 5054 edit
>>5053
sorry another typo
Kinzo left with the otherS
>> No. 5055 edit
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Ok. Then this...

Was the door opened from the inside or outside for Kinzo? I may have a theory depending on which.
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>>5055
Outside of the room. he opened the door
>> No. 5070 edit
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>>5067

The only way to open the door is with the key..
From the outside...
No hidden device X...
Kinzo does not have a key...
Yet, he entered with the key...

Either I'm missing something, are stupid, or a logic error. Would you be kind enough to discern which?
>> No. 5075 edit
>>5070
Think about it, He had the key after they went to check Kyrie and Rudolf's death. He lost it when all were about to check Hideyoshi status and he was the only one that returned and used the key.

He certainly lost the key
Yet he was lured to his room

Remember the opened letter?
>> No. 5077 edit
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>>5075

The letter contained the key, the key was outside the door, Kinzo opened up the letter and used the key to open the door.

Ok, so I was just stupid.
>> No. 5078 edit
>>5077
Exactly
>> No. 5082 edit
It was a fun day~

The solution is the following :
Everyone realized that Hideyoshi was missing , The culprit was the last to come from the room
meanwhile he took a letter he wrote: Praise my name.
and put the key inside. He told the accomplice to prepare the trap that would kill Kinzo.

After that both closed the room and left the letter there. The accomplice told Kinzo that something was wrong in the room. Kinzo went to the room.He then realized that he didn't had the key. So he saw the letter he opened and saw the message. with the key, he opened the studio with the key, He entered ,left the key in the place it was.throwed the opened letter away and tried to return......but he fell on the trap.

Congratulations.
>> No. 5083 edit
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>>5082
Ah , yes I forgot the first paragraph is the truth
>> No. 5084 edit
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>>5082

Ahhh..
>> No. 5085 edit
Yup, btw the sixth the seventh and the eight twilight will occur at the same time btw.
>> No. 5090 edit
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5090
After witnessing the death of Kinzo, Everyone realized that the culprit, must be in the mansion......so Rosa , Genji, Nanjo,Gohda,Krauss,Battler and George the last 8 survivors decided to refuge themselves inside the guest house fortunately
there was enough food for them. since they were only 8.and she was conviced that Genji Shannon Gohda and nanjo were working together She told battler and George to check the rooms to make sure there wasn't any trap.
after that the eight of them decided that one of the them was the culprit. Not happy with just that ,She told Genji Nanjo Gohda and Shannon that the Ushiromiyas going to enter and lock themselves first. The first was Battler, then Krauss , then George and Rosa then locked herself.
. 2 hours later...Rosa decided to call everyone,but only Battler , Shannon, George and Krauss answered to the call.Rosa...called for Genji,Nanjo and Gohda but none of the three was on the living room. After a while , Rosa decided to find them in their room. She knocked but there wasn't any response. Rosa realized that There was a chain in the roomRosa quickly opened the door with special scissors Kanon lent her yesterday. and She realized that apparently they were in the room. Rosa touched each of the beds. and the beds were hot.Rosa concluded that
they left.....Rosa holding a winchester called Krauss, George,Shannon and Battler.
and went outside......after a while Rosa found Genji nanjo and gohda....the three were deaddespite the fact that the wounds they had weren't lethal (except Gohda) the stakes weren't the cause of dead.

After a while......Rosa realized the truth......THAT NONE OF THE SERVANTS WAS THE CULPRIT AND THAT NO ONE HAS BEEN FAKING THEIR DEATHS.

Rosa turned away quickly.............and saw the culprit and the accomplicethe ones that called themselves..Beatrice-sama.(I won't hear any culprit theories until you first solve the 6th-8th twilight)
(and when that happens, you will tell me the whodunnit howdunnit and Whydunnit)
>> No. 5091 edit
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Repeat it in red: No one has faked their death in this game.
>> No. 5092 edit
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>>5091
NO ONE HAS BEEN FAKING THEIR DEATHS.
>> No. 5093 edit
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>>5092

The culprit snuck out during the lockdown session, had a master key, broke in and killed the victims. Alternatively, instead of killing, he just stuck stakes into the already dead victims.

My other theory is this.
The victims died of suffocation in some fashion, they died of heat, they died of poison, etc.

I would like an autopsy of the bodies, to search for traces of such possibilities.
>> No. 5096 edit
>>5093
Sadly, No wounds or poison traces were foundan hypodermic syringe wasn't used
As I said in the story :The stakes weren't the cause of death
>>5090
Also Rosa ,Since all the servants are innocent, and Rosa witnessed every Ushiromiya entering in the room was impossible

They didn't die of suffocation
>> No. 5097 edit
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They each have their own rooms, correct?
>> No. 5098 edit
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>except Gohda

Explain Gohda's lethal wound.
Is there a murder weapon in that wound?
>> No. 5099 edit
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>>5097
No, but Gohda died due to blood loss from the stake on the stomach, and what killed Nanjo and Genji
>> No. 5101 edit
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>The beds were hot.

Perhaps the whole room is hot.

You never denied my theory of them dying by heat, poison, gas, etc. They also could have died from blood loss.
>> No. 5102 edit
>>5101
Heat isn't involved in the murders
It was hot but only in one part of the bed,oddly enough it had an unnatural temperature
>> No. 5103 edit
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Also, about the chain.

The chain was used to murder the victims in some fashion, strangulation, squeezed, etc.
>> No. 5104 edit
>>5103
This is the chain I am refeering
http://www.miami-locks.com/pictures/hardware/door_chain_guard.jpg
>> No. 5105 edit
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>>5102

If that was body heat, that indicates a fever, which indicates a problem with the body. Poisoned, gassed, variations of poisoning (food poisoning, mushrooms, etc), there could be something up with the bed itself, a trap.
>> No. 5106 edit
>>5105
As I said Human heat is related to the murderbut at the same time its unrelated to the death cause of the three
>> No. 5109 edit
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>>5106

What about the poisoning and everything else I said? You keep avoiding that.

And I accidentally fell asleep olol.
>> No. 5110 edit
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>>5109
No poison traces were found they werent poisoned
>> No. 5114 edit
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Say it in red: "Krauss is not the culprit."
>> No. 5115 edit
The circumstances of the adults in the canon games are present here.
>> No. 5126 edit
Beato is not the only opponent of this board Anyone can challengue it.
>> No. 5127 edit
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The beds got hot because they were tied up on the beds.
>> No. 5128 edit
>>5127
Lol what, there was only 1 bed in each room, it is impossible for them to be tied to each other
>> No. 5130 edit
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Simple.
The culprit entered the room, killed the victims and then threw the bodies outside. The culprit then when back into the room, locked the chain from the inside and hid somewhere in the room.
>> No. 5132 edit
>>5130
The culprit didn't need to the enter to the rooms
>> No. 5133 edit
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5133
Battler and George searched for traps, this is most likely not a trap. I would like in red that there are no traps for this twilight, however.
>> No. 5134 edit
>>5132
Well then
the victims left the room on their own will
Or simply
the culprit killed them from outside the room using weapon X.
>> No. 5135 edit
>>5133
George and Battler didn't find any trap
well Shannon may be but as I said...Yasu don't exist in this game...~~~

>>5134
The culprit killed them from outside
>> No. 5136 edit
>>5135
however....none of the windows were open and the windows faces to places where a person can't stand
to shoot.
>> No. 5137 edit
>>5136
this statement is in red btw
>> No. 5138 edit
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>>5136

There was a mirror near the window, the mirror let the culprit see where they were, then simply shot through the window, the culprit calculates the shot to richet into the culprit, of course.

Also, The culprit used the air duct from outside and killed them with X.

Devil's proof.
>> No. 5139 edit
>>5138
Such Mirror and Such air duct dont exist in the rooms.
>> No. 5140 edit
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>>5139

>Near the window

That includes outside also.
>> No. 5141 edit
>>5140
As I said Such mirror don't exist which include
a mirror inside and a Mirror outside

>> No. 5142 edit
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>>5141

Just had to make sure, gotta be careful with possible wordplay~

I'll think up something else in a bit.
>> No. 5143 edit
>>5142
Hint :Read between lines and read all reds of this twilight
>> No. 5146 edit
You will have limited time to solve this last murder
if you can't solve it by monday at midnight.
This game will end.
>> No. 5148 edit
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>>5146
I'll give it a shot or two Lion.

The victims died from electric shock. The heat in the one spot was because of the shock that occurred on that spot.
>> No. 5150 edit
>>5148
They didn't died due to electric shocks

Think about the culprits
>> No. 5152 edit
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>>5146

Well then, looks like I have a mystery to solve!

>Rosa, Genji, Nanjo, Gohda, Krauss, Battler, and George. The last 8 victims.

How could I not have noticed this.

The culprit/accomplice is not with the 7 that entered first, the culprit/accomplice entered later. The culprit/accomplice could have entered when the servants were going in, disguised.

There was no mention of Shannon. Shannon is not a servant/whatever, you said this mystery might not follow Van Dine's. Shannon was in the mansion, then while the others locked themselves in, she joined with the servants as if she was always there. Then killed all of them, the Ushiromiya's wouldn't know because they were locked in. After she killed them using method X, she put them in their room. Also, perhaps the servants did the same thing the Ushiromiya's did and locked themselves in one at a time, Shannon/The culprit killed Genji, Nanjo, and Gohda after the others went in.

Repeat this is red: "Only the servants were in the room(s) that only held other servants. The Ushiromiya's were in the room(s) that only held other Ushiromiya's."

If there were mixed rooms... Then Krauss killed them, Shannon assisted, and vice versa.
>> No. 5153 edit
>>5152
Shannon is innocent as I said
Only the servants were in the room(s) that only held other servants. The Ushiromiya's were in the room(s) that only held other Ushiromiya's. The only ones that entered in the room were George and Battler (but that was before they locked themselves) To make sure there wasn't any trap.
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I'm pretty sure George and Battler were confirmed in red to be innocent, but just to make sure: George and/or Battler set traps/X in the Servant's room.

Also, just to clear up a mistake in my request of your red. Repeat this please: "Nanjo is in the room with only the other servants".

As far as Battler/George goes: Battler and/or George is not the culprit, they are technically the accomplice now however. The culprit may have handed something to them to put in the room, also they may not be accomplice(s), because they unknowingly put it there knowing it was a trap of sorts.
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>The culprit didn't need to enter the rooms.
>Chainlock.

Oh you.

The culprit killed them outside the room through the chainlock using Method X with possible Weapon X.
>> No. 5156 edit
>>5154
Read the red again~
>>5155
Also,The culprit wasn't near of the rooms when the murders happened. and a trap didn't killed them
>> No. 5157 edit
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>Food

There was something wrong with the food the servants ate, they suffered a fever/whatever from it that made them hot, thus making the beds very hot. I could list that there was poison, food poisoning, a lazer, a scorpion, a tarantula, etc. was in the food, but whatever it was caused their death. Perhaps it made them insane and they ran out to that pole/whatever and stabbed themselves too. Devil's proof.
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Oh, and just for the hell of it...

They ate small bombs!
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>>5156
What in your eyes is a 'trap' Lion.
>> No. 5160 edit
>>5157
That would count as poisoning, Food going bad due to time, and things like that count as poisoning and that didn't happen


>>5159
Something that is set to murder like devices, mechanism, things with triggers
>> No. 5161 edit
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>>5160

You can't poison someone with explosions!

They ate small bombs!
>> No. 5162 edit
>>5161
Uh, Beato. A bomb would fall under a trap.
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>>5162

There's no trigger in the throat, they could just have randomly exploded, the GM will decide if it's false~
>> No. 5164 edit
>>5163
Bombs weren't neccesary for this murder
>> No. 5165 edit
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>>5164

It's stupid for me to ask, but are there even enough clues in this twilight for us to pinpoint the who, how, and why? I already said something about the 8 when you only mentioned 7 names, but you never responded to that.
>> No. 5166 edit
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The victims were not killed in the room/rooms they entered in.
>> No. 5167 edit
>>5165
That was another mistake of mine , I forgot mentioning Shannon, despite the fact that she is innocent Since Van dine requires me to focus on the mystery , I can't focus on Shannon
besides , the red that say that she is innocent , should be an obvious alibi.and of course Shannon is the only Shannon of this game

>>5166
My my....can you tell me more about it?~~~
>> No. 5168 edit
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>>5167
Alright. The victims weren't dead when Rosa entered the rooms, just hiding. They snuck out while Rosa was looking around. They left the rooms and were then killed by the culprit.

As such, the culprit did not need the enter the room like you said, they did not need to use a trap, and they were outside of the room, since the murder took place elsewhere.
>> No. 5169 edit
>>5168
for this murder the victims didn't even need to enter in the room
>> No. 5170 edit
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There is more than one culprit.
Every one of the Ushiromiya's but Rosa is in on it.
Krauss (It's obvious he's the culprit by now) somehow killed them outside their room.
Not enough clues are presented to determine the murder/
Rosa entered last, so no one could have killed them behind her back.
The culprit killed the victims in a way that was timed, or which Rosa wouldn't notice before the Ushiromiyas went in their room.
>> No. 5171 edit
>>5170

There is ONLY one culprit..
The culprit somehow killed them outside their room.
there are enough clues are presented to determine the murder
Rosa entered last of the ushiromiyas
The culprit killed the victims are timed, or which Rosa wouldn't notice before the Ushiromiyas went in their room.

Extra hint :
Genji Gohda and Nanjo were the perfect victims for this murder
>> No. 5172 edit
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>>5169
>>5171
Wait? Hmm... The victims were killed before they entered the rooms.
>> No. 5173 edit
If Eva was alive you would suspect Eva.Since this murder could be executed perfectly by Eva
>> No. 5174 edit
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This better still follow Van Dine's...

Rosa is the culprit.
>> No. 5175 edit
>>5174
Rosa is innocent
>> No. 5176 edit
>>5174
As I said, According to me, it follows Van dine,
but it may be not by one rules I haven't contemplated
>> No. 5177 edit
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>>5176

Explain the rule or whatever, I'm bored of the guessing game.
>> No. 5178 edit
>>5177
Nah, forget it, It follows Van Dine
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I would like a list of all relevant things for this twilight. Basically, I want a review.

Apparently I'm not reading something.
>> No. 5180 edit
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5180
Lion did the victims enter the rooms, and were they killed in those rooms, yes or no.
>> No. 5181 edit
>>5180
The victims didn't entered in the roomYet there is heat in the bed as a proof that they were lying there..
>>5179
The woundless victims
The heat on the bed
The age of the servants
Those that remain
The culprit
the Accomplice
The closed rooms and the Ushiromiyas.
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>>5181
So basically, they were killed before they entered the room, and then the accomplice laid in the bed, or via method x set up so the bed would be warm. This that correct?
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>>5181

Oh, so if I asked this in the first place, this would have been many times easier.

Krauss used Method X to take advantage of Genji, Nanjo, and Gohda old age to kill them. Devil's proof is applicable because there is not enough of anything to determine which exact method, I refuse to explain.

If it was body heat, then the culprit/accomplice laid there to make it hot. There was a device that made it hot. Devil's proof.
>> No. 5184 edit
>>5182
they were killed after the ushiromiyas and Shannon locked themselves.
Shannon locked herself after Rosa.
and yes,one of the murderers laid on the bed to warm the beds


>>5183
Yes, the culprit took advantage of Nanjo gohda and Genji's old age
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>and yes, one of the murderers laid on the bed to warm the beds

...

Van Dine's 12th: There must be but one culprit, no matter how many murders are committed. The culprit may, of course, have a minor helper or co-plotter; but the entire onus must rest on one pair of shoulders: the entire indignation of the reader must be permitted to concentrate on a single black nature.

Up until now I thought "CulpritS/KillerS/MurdererS" was just a typo. You're breaking one of the rules, what's up with that?
>> No. 5186 edit
>>5185
Didn't I gave my definitions for accomplice and murderer last time?
remember that both can murder just that one is the mastermind.
>> No. 5187 edit
>>5185
Culprit is the mastermind that planned everything
he himself may commit the murders but sometimes he may rely on one person to do the dirty work.

Accomplice he may assist or directly participate in the murders and he may or may not be human.

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>>5186

>As I said, According to me, it follows Van dine,
but it may be not by one rules I haven't contemplated

I suppose that rule was Van Dine's 12th?
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Well whatever, the "How" of this twilight is complete now, correct?
>> No. 5190 edit
>>5188
>>5189
yeah, now that that is complete.......it remains
the Whodunnit and Whydunnit...have in mind that you can only guess two times. If that fails you may not guess again.
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Ok, but I would like to ask some things.

Is it two times for each? Or two for both?

Also, I am allowed to ask questions and for you to answer to get a better understanding of the why, correct? Also, I need only explain who the culprit is, the accomplice is insignificant because it is most likely not human (Fire ants, etc)
>> No. 5192 edit
>>5191
The culprit and the accomplice are humans
You have to guess the accomplice and the culprit
his accomplice and the whydunnit of both of them.
>> No. 5193 edit
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Ok, then I'm going to ask some questions.

Does Krauss love Jessica and Natsuhi right now?

Also, Shannon entered AFTER Rosa, correct, how many minutes/seconds after Rosa?

Would Kinzo listen to George?

Does Battler remember his promise with Shannon? (Perhaps they ended up liking each other anyways, even though she is not Yasu.

This is not a guess, just a simple inquiry.
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5194
I would like to ask another question.

Did each of the survivors have their own rooms?

If not, specify who is where.
>> No. 5195 edit
>>5193

>Does Krauss love Jessica and Natsuhi right now?
Krauss does love Jessica and Natsuhi
>Also, Shannon entered AFTER Rosa, correct, how many minutes/seconds after Rosa?
right away (10 seconds after)
>Would Kinzo listen to George?
He treated George like all the relative
>Does Battler remember his promise with Shannon? (Perhaps they ended up liking each other anyways, even though she is not Yasu.
The only reason Shannon is innocent, is because Battler remembered his promise.However that was the trigger for the suffering of another person

>Did each of the survivors have their own rooms?
Yes the eight of them had their own room
>> No. 5196 edit
>>5195
the 10 seconds answer treat is as a red
This is all the hints I will give you.
>> No. 5197 edit
>>5132
Lion;
>The culprit didn't need to the enter to the rooms

Does this mean that the culprit did not enter the rooms?
>> No. 5198 edit
>>5197
He didn't need to be on the room to murder them
>> No. 5199 edit
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The culprit is... Krauss!
George is the accomplice!

Krauss killed for Money and/or Headship of the Ushiromiya family!

George became Krauss' accomplice when he heard about Shannon and Battler!



[A theory about the voice recording]
Also, a theory on the voice recording with Hideyoshi's murder! Eva's family was going to murder everyone for X reason, and Eva played the part of Beatrice while Hideyoshi was the helpless victim. Eva was planning on faking her death! George may have defected to Krauss' side when he heard about Shannon and Battler. George then told Krauss that Eva would do that, and Krauss/George killed Eva.
>> No. 5200 edit
>>5199
Are you sure of your answers?
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>>5200

Yeah, might as well go with it.
Is there anything wrong with it?
>> No. 5202 edit
>>5201
While the murderers are obvious, you got them wrong.


George is the culprit
and Krauss is the accomplice
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>>5202

Yeah, thought it was gonna be something like that.
>> No. 5204 edit
Lion what about the motives? Are they correct?
>> No. 5206 edit
>>5204
I wanted to wait for you So now that you are here, the motives were the following:

Initially, with Battler remembering his sin, supposedly the murders weren't supposed to happen........however that triggered and bringed the old creepy George back (Seriously he was 17 and being jealous for a 10 year old)
George couldn't stand the fact that Shannon left him, So he started his murder spree, George realized that Kumasawa Kanon Jessica were close to Shannon so he murdered the three,He also killed Natsuhi to use Krauss as a accomplice, and he killed Eva because George hated that he was living the dream of his mother. George using his influence and few wealth also managed
to buy the companies that holded Krauss'debt.So he forced Krauss to kill his OWN DAUGHTER AND WIFE.

Happy seeing Shannon suffering. He killed Kyrie and Rudolf with the method I explained
for the sake of also making Battler suffering.

Krauss with orders of George made a record of his voice in which he mentioned things
to troll while he was recording hideyoshi.

Kinzo's death was of course idea of George but Krauss didn't say anything about it.
They lured him claiming to be Beatrice....where he was murdered with the trap.

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>>5206

I see, so that was it.
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>>5206
Well that is interesting. Good job Lion. On completing a good game that is not so much hugely based on wordplay/word tricks on how people died. Well done; your best game you've made.
>> No. 5210 edit
>>5206
AND THE SOLUTION OF THE LAS MURDER :

When George was checking the rooms, George suggested battler to only check the rooms in which the Ushiromiyas were going to stay....So he decided to lay in each of the three beds of the three rooms while generating lots of heat.Since George's clothes were made of wool.that was easy.He also locked the rooms with chains with elastic bands(Rosa didn't know at the time that George did that )

After he finished. He secretly talked with Genji, Nanjo Gohda and Krauss.
George conviced Genji Nanjo and Gohda that Rosa battler and Shannon were the culprits....and conviced them to left the rooms after shannon locked herself.

So the Ushiromiyas locked themselves in order, First Battler, then George,then Krauss ,and then Rosa....after that Shannon locked herself....

Gohda Genji and Nanjo didn't enter in the rooms. after a while Krauss and George left the guest house........

and after a while the murders ocurred ......with george hitting the three victims with a kick in w vital spot in the neck.

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Yeah, good job on your game, I liked it a lot.

We should play another one, next time I'll make a game~ Of course a billion times better than the one I just made! Hehehehe.
>> No. 5212 edit
>>5209
>>5211
Yes.....it was hard~also check the solution of the last murder.
>> No. 5213 edit
>>5212
Also thank you, I enjoyed murdering my own family making the twilights~
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>>5213

Thank you for making them~

I'll make my game in maybe a week or two, since I'm not rushed now. I'll definitely be able to make something awesome~ hehehee
>> No. 5215 edit
>>5214
you welocme~
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