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Welcome to my gameboard! In this gameboard, I, EVA-Beatrice, face the challenger, Eva in a battle of wits. None other than the one behind "Eva" is qualified to be my opponent in this matter!

There are two fundamental rules to this realm.

1) What is spoken in red is the truth, with absolution. No lies or untruths shall be spoken on red, on penalty of immediate forfeiting of victory to the challenger. However, this does not require the words spoken in red to be partisan in meaning, nor does it require that all presumptions to the meaning of the red must be accommodated.


2) What is spoken in blue is a theory supported by reasoning. A claim such as "Kanon did it!" is entirely out of the question, unless the challenger can provide why Kanon is the rightful culprit.

The challenger faces me as a solely singular entity, although spectators are encouraged to lend their voices to the fight.

At any time, the challenger may forfeit the battle.
At any time, the claimant of the name "Beatrice" may forfeit the battle.
At any time, the challenger may declare in purple. Words declared in purple will be taken as a request to have them repeated in red; the claimant of the name "Beatrice" is not required to repeat these words to the letter, nor is she required to repeat them at all!

If you agree to these terms, challenger, then let yourself be heard, that we may commence this battle.
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Ah. And I do believe I'll permit leniency in the "theory" part of the blue; that is to say, reasoning that "Person X did it because no one else could have!" is entirely acceptable.
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>>5485
Similarly, "Culprit X left the room through the door" is entirely sustainable if it has not been established it was impossible. I want merely to avoid the blue becoming a wild goose chase of accusations which would require shooting down; absurd notions such as "the culprit is Jessica!" without sustainable evidence that Jessica is the culprit is abjectly misguided.

This, then, to avoid such matters. Naturally, I will guarantee the maximum amount of members on the island, living or dead.
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>> No. 5502 edit
>>5499
Eva-Ange-Lion~~~
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The new member, indeed.
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>>5502
>>5504
I see, good luck then!
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Great! I accept. Sorry to keep you waiting. Lion told me you were waiting on msn~
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>>5518
Excellent! Permit me to produce the tale for you, at the conclusion of which you should see plainly a witch did it!
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It was a peaceful day, the sort you enjoy during rainy weekends or after a great deal of activities have been undertaken during the week prior. A day that was aglow with sunshine, and that prompted everyone who was neither lame nor cross to venture outside, and see for themselves the beauty of the world.

Among these people were Natsuhi and Jessica, urged outside by sun and servant. It had been a few weeks now since the head of the family, Kinzo, had died. In what had been nothing but a baffling revelation to the Ushiromiya family, Kinzo had specified in his will that “Natsuhi bears within her heart the one-winged eagle” and that he “should think none but Natsuhi be worthy of succeeding” him as family head.

So it was that family head and daughter enjoyed a leisurely stroll outside.

It was about noon, and the sun was high in the sky. The servants were at work; Gohda had been set the task to prepare for supper, while Kumasawa went to clean Jessica’s bedroom. Kanon tended the garden, and Shanon was aide to Kumasawa. Genji, then, stalked Natsuhi and Jessica.

What did Krauss do, in all this time? Natsuhi was unsure what her husband was ever up to, these days. Since she had gained the position of head, it seemed as though the rest of the Ushiromiya family had begun shunning her, avoiding to cross her path whenever possible.

“It is a curious thing,” she sighed to her daughter, “that I should have become family head.”

Jessica looked at her mother, with a frown that clearly did not understand her mother’s worries; she did not think to ask her mother to clarify.

The two spoke, then, of Jessica’s future; the schools she would attend, and whether she had any man in her heart.

When Jessica assured her mother that she had no man in her heart, Natsuhi simply gave a nod and friendly smile.

They returned inside some time later, and Natsuhi fetched a glass chess set from her daughter’s room, then settled in the parlor with Jessica to play a game of chess.

Time eventually passed on, and the family sat together for dinner – aside from Krauss, who had taken to holing himself up in his study, refusing to come out despite the servants’ pleas. Natsuhi, too, refused then to talk to him.

Finally, it turned to the time for Jessica to sleep.

Accompanied, then, by Genji and Natsuhi, they retreated to the girl’s bedroom.

At the door to the room, Jessica turned, hugged her mother.

“Good night,” she said, before unlocking her bedroom door. The girl stepped in, then closed the door. Moments later, Natsuhi and Genji heard the door slide into its lock, and the chain set.

“Ever afraid something might happen,” Natsuhi sighed. “Truly a daughter careful not to—“

She was interrupted in her talk by Jessica.

“Mother! Help! HELP!” There was banging on the door for a moment. Then, suddenly, the sound of gunshots. One, two shots.
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Hmmm....... reminds me of Ozaki's one kinda. Is that it for the intro?
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“Genji!” Natsuhi shrieked, pointing at the door with trembling finger. Immediately grasping the intent of his lady, Genji attempted to unlock the door, only to find that Jessica’s room was, indeed, the only room he could not open with his master key.

He kicked the door. It refused to budge.

“The window,” Natsuhi remembered then. “If someone entered her room, it must be through the window.”

She hurried away, leaving Genji to the door by himself. As she reached the end of the hallway, Natsuhi ran into Kanon and Kumasawa, who had heard the gunshots and come to see what the commotion was about.

Leaving Kumasawa to assist Genji, Kanon and Natsuhi hurried to the bedroom adjacent Jessica’s; they had recently had a balcony built adjoining the two, and it would be an easy matter to pass from one to the other.

When they stepped out onto the balcony, Natsuhi noted the pristine condition it was all in. Kumasawa had only just cleaned it, then; and Kanon’s dirt-stained shoes ruined the older servant’s handiwork. There was, however, no time to lament this.

The two hurried from balcony to balcony, reaching Jessica’s windows. The curtains were closed, permitting neither a view inside.

“… It’s impossible to enter from here,” Kanon observed, after attempting to open the windows; only to find them locked from the inside. He tried the other set of windows, which momentarily seemed to want to open; only to meet resistance of the lock.

When Natsuhi tries for herself, she finds it entirely impossible to open the windows.

Natsuhi, then, hurried away, back to the door. Kanon followed suit.

Genji managed to break down the door. The chain held on for a moment longer, resisting the party’s attempts to enter the room, but it too buckled under the might of Genji; only to see that Jessica lay sprawled on the floor, blood flowing from a wound in her chest. A large kitchen knife lay beside her; at once, Kumasawa recognised it.

“But that is the knife Gohda keeps in the kitchen downstairs!” she gasped.

“The murderer cannot have escaped,” Natsuhi said, exasperated. “Find him!”

While standing guard over the door herself, she watched Kanon and Genji scour the room; there was, however, no trace of any murderer. Not under the bed, nor in the closet, or any other conceivable hiding place.

They did find the gun on the bed, but daren’t move it from its place. It was, however, one of Krauss’s guns, which he kept in his study at all times.

A mass of footprints, framed by dirt, ran across the room; some of it was Kanon’s, but the others had been there right when the door’d been flung open.

The footprints, with certainty, led towards the door; one pair going away: Kanon’s. The other pair going towards; the murderer’s…?

He had certainly not escaped through the door, for Natsuhi would have noticed, but then…?

“I, it’s Beatrice,” stammered Kumasawa. “Beatrice must have killed her!”

A silence fell over the room.

Beatrice, the Witch in Gold. Had she revived to kill Jessica?
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>>5522
This, then, is the entire mystery! A closed room, with closed windows, with signs outside showing the balconies were not used, and a door that was monitored!

Surely, only a Witch could have left that room, after killing Jessica!

Permit me to start off with this:

[color=red]From morning to the moment of Jessica's death, the number of people on the island did not exceed 9!
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>>5524
From morning to the moment of Jessica's death, the number of people on the island did not exceed 9!

I was a bit too enthusiastic, I do believe.
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>>5525

Alright. Since the discovery of the room is in stages can you repeat: Jessica suffered the injury that would kill her before Natsuhi left the door to try to get in through the window.
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>>5526
I do not feel compelled to repeat that at all.
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>>5527

So I need to try a theory on it I guess. Genji or Kumuasawa or person X helping with the door when Natsuhi was not there stabbed Jessica through the barely open door when the chain was set.
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>>5528
Indeed, I am not here to serve as your handmaid in solving this mystery!

However, at the time Natsuhi heard Jessica lock the door, the door was locked by key! It is impossible to open the door while it is locked by key, and furthermore, the door did not open even slightly until Natsuhi witnessed Genji managing to do so!

I believe that sufficiently squashes your theory, or do you still see opportunities?
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>>5529

Yep, it sure does. The windows then. The culprit entered through a window, at a point before Natsuhi reached the window. They could have been locked from the inside by Jessica after that.
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>>5530
It is certainly a possibility. However, the windows had been locked when Kumasawa cleaned the room earlier! Let me remind you: when Jessica and Natsuhi returned from their walk, Natsuhi retrieved a glass chess set from Jessica's room. At the time Natsuhi retrieved the glass chess set from Jessica's room, there was no one in Jessica's room except for Natsuhi! And the windows were certainly locked at that time.
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>>5531

Is Jessica's key the only key that can open that door? If it isn't, Anyone could have entered Jessica's room after Natsuhi did, even if she left the door locked. Come to think of it, how did Natsuhi open and leave the door locked? Maybe Natsuhi left the door unlocked and then the culprit entered and locked it from the inside.

(Fixed for errors)
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>>5532
I do not contest those theories. Very well. How did the culprit leave, however?
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>>5534

The culprit exited through a window, Jessica locked it from the inside.
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>>5535
Truly? How interesting! However, after Jessica entered her room for the last time, she did not once touch the locks on the windows! How could she, since she was killed, after all?
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>>5536

Hmmm..... can the windows only be locked when closed? Or can they be set into a locked position when open. So that when they close they lock?

Maybe The time Natsuhi saw Jessica enter the room wasn't when she entered for the last time. She went out the window between the time Natsuhi was at the door and the time she died.
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>>5537
Hoh? So Jessica left the room? For whatever reason did Jessica leave the room, then, if you'd entertain this?
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>>5538
I am sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation, isn't there?
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>>5539

What if Genji or Kumuasawa or person X who was at the door after Natsuhi left was an accomplice. They were forcing the door closed. Jessica wanted to use it to escape but couldn't. So she tried to use the windows, but after some event outside she came back in. Maybe because the culprit followed her out.
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>>5540
A perfectly sound reasoning. However. When Genji managed to open the door slightly, the chain was still set! And, the last one to set the chain was Jessica. Had Jessica attempted to open the door despite the chain being set?
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>>5541
Moreover, Natsuhi bore witness to the last time Jessica entered her room! And the last time Jessica entered her room, she entered through the door!
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>>5541

Can you repeat: [color=purple]From when Natsuhi was at the door and heard Jessica setting the chain to when she came back to the door and witnessed Genji open it slightly, the chain was set the whole time.?

Because maybe Jessica had tried to take the chain off but later reset it to secure the room.
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>>5544

Hmmm... what am I doing wrong with that purple?

>>5542

That settles it anyway. This is tricky!
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>>5544
From the time Natsuhi heard Jessica set the chain to the time Genji broke down the door: the chain was set!
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Just a couple of confirmations then. They searched the room for anyone else. But maybe they missed someone?

How about repeating this: just before Genji managed to break into the room, the only body inside was Jessica's.

Also. Was Jessica really murdered? Could it be suicide? Or maybe the moment of her death is later than I am thinking. Can you repeat: Jessica was dead when Genji broke into the room.?
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>>5547
After the line "but it too buckled under the might of Genji", the only body in Jessica's room was Jessica's! Living or dead, the number of people in Jessica's room was exactly 1 at that moment!

Naturally, at the moment Genji broke into the room, Jessica was dead. As of this moment, Jessica is dead.
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>>5548

Ack. It feels like the mystery at the end of episode 3. Jessica killed herself!

Just getting this out of the way.
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>>5549
How foolish! I would not be so lame as to present a mystery and have the solution be so stupid! What a dreadfully dim doofus you are!

Jessica was murdered!
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With Riris confirmation, I humbly request this purple.
The sound of the gunshoots were real. At that time Jessica was shoot twice, killing her.
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>>5550

Hey, I just had to make sure. Sometimes the idea is to get you to skip the easy solutions.


Are the door and windows the only exit/entry points involved in this mystery? Maybe Jessica was shot from outside the room, through the window or the keyhole or another possible entry point that exists.

That makes me think, could she be shot through a wall? Can you repeat that: The murderer killed Jessica while in the same room as her.?

(Ugh. Got to remember that BBCode doesn't work here!)
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Ignore my first post. Looks like I'm making a mess here.
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>>5551
Assisting, are you? How obedient! However! The sound of the gunshots was real! I refuse to repeat the second part, however.

>>5554
When Jessica was killed, the culprit was in the same room as Jessica!
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>>5554
If you wish to delete a post simply click on the left checkbox and click delete at the bottom of the page.
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>>5551

Thanks for the help Anon.

>>5556

There go a bunch of solutions I could have used. Looks like you've a rather mysterious room here.

Let me see.... The windows were opened after Natsuhi checked them. The culprit left through them. They were unlocked when Genji broke in!
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>>5557

Yeah I know. Same thing on 4chan. But it telling me "incorrect password". Oh well!
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>>5558
Naturally, this is a true closed room! A murder which only a Witch could have committed. I'll permit you to see the truth of it.

When Natsuhi checked the windows with Kanon, they were definitely closed and locked! After that time, the windows were not opened!

Therefore, when Genji knocked down the door, the windows were locked!
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Let me try this one... The moment Genji forced the door open was the exact moment Jessica died. He entered the room when he forced it open. So the murderer (Genji) was in the same room. The knife was stuck to the door!
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>>5561
Truly, now? You would accuse Genji of murder? Genji, a man among men, in whose arms I would fling myself with no second thought?

But even if you would accuse him, you have no basis! At the time Natsuhi checked the windows, Jessica was already dead!
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>>5562

Genji!? I can't say I share your tastes myself.

But if we put that aside, you've got me cornered. Now I have a better time frame for Jessica's death, but still. Hmmm....
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I should make sure I get you to deny all my thoughts from before.

The windows can be set into a locked position even when open. So they can be opened, locked, then closed by the culprit or Jessica and be locked.

There was an exit other than the doors and windows that the culprit could use. It might have been sealed at some point but it existed.
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>>5564
How unfortunate!! Reaching the end of your wits already, my opponent? The windows do not function in the way you describe! And what's more, aside from the two windows and the single door, there is no other exit or entrance to Jessica's bedroom!

A true locked room, don't you agree? An impossible crime! Perhaps I should show you what really happened! The Siestas, in all their glory!! The appearance of the Witch!!
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>>5565

I'm not done just yet. I've had to give up a lot recently so I should try to solve this one when you went through the trouble for me.

What if The windows have an auto-lock. Like Kinzo's study. They can lock when closed. ?
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>>5566
That, too, is out of the question!! The windows in Jessica's room do not have an auto-lock mechanism!

Now, a battle of wits is no fun if you do not struggle harder. Struggle, and amuse! Perhaps you can rely on an ally? I would permit it!!
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>>5567

If others want to help me they can. Anon already did.

Let me try another old trick. Jessica was wounded before she entered her room. It was a narrow wound that she didn't notice until she had entered. The gunshots weren't the sounds of a gun used to shoot her. They were used by the culprit or accomplice to hide their crime, or maybe they were used for an unrelated purpose like hunting or practice shooting.

The story says that Kanon tried the first set of windows but it was locked from the inside. Maybe the other set of windows were locked from the outside.[/b]?

The "sets" of windows are the same thing as the two windows I guess? Since there are no other exit.
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Ignore my first post. "Incorrect password" again. Also the last part isn't supposed to be in blue.
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Repeat this please: At the time Genji broke into Jessica's room, both windows were properly locked
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>>5570
Also if you are having problems deleting posts I suggest you to delete the default password and put your own. That way you can delete a post even from another computer from where did you posted it.
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>>5572

Good idea!
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>>5569
Neither set of windows can be locked from the outside, you know! What foolishness are you suggesting?

Moreover, Jessica was not wounded before she entered her bedroom! Utterly fascinating!!

In this case, a "set of windows" was a typo. Kanon checked one window, then the other; I was thinking of window frames. These windows are two window frames that open outward.

>>5571
At the time Genji broke into Jessica's room, both windows were properly locked.

Prrrrrrrrroblem?
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>>5574

You saying they were "locked from the inside" made me think that maybe they could be locked/unlocked from the outside too, with a key.

Looks to me like only the window and door could be used to leave her room. But with these reds it should be impossible for the culprit to use those. I wonder what I've missed.
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>>5575
Oh, the matter is all too easily solved!! A Witch did it! A Witch would be able to leave the room by using magic, is it not true? A human culprit cannot possibly have left the room!
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Kumasawa did it. While Kumasawa and Shannon were cleaning Jessica's room and the bedroom adyacent to it they created a passage big enough for a gun barrel to pass!
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>>5577
Did you not listen? At the time Jessica was killed, the culprit was in the same room as Jessica!!
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>>5578
Because of the balcony share, both Jessica's and the other room are considered to be the same.
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>>5579
Preposterous! Absolutely preposterous!! Jessica's bedroom is Jessica's bedroom! If it were possible to leave Jessica's bedroom through any other means, I could not proclaim in red that it has only one door!
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>>5579

I didn't think of that! That would change a lot.

Lili said the windows weren't opened after Natsuhi checked them. And they were locked when they entered Jessica's room. What if the culprit left her room by breaking the window(s) instead?
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I see, then if you hold your pride in high so much for this closed room you would not mind giving me a small diagram that shows the two rooms, right?
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>>5581
Unfortunately, had the windows been broken, Natsuhi would have been able to tell immediately!! That she did not notice such a thing says enough, does it not?

>>5582
I refuse. Such a diagram is a waste of time. The exact juxtaposition of the rooms is irrelevant.
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>>5583

But would she have noticed immediately if it happened after she checked the windows?
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Hey ANGE Beatrice, you should check for accomplices. There are a good number of theories that would work with them.
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>>5584
She would have noticed on entering the room!! And Natsuhi noticed no such thing!! It's impossible, I would not rely on a cheap trick of description to foil the reader!! Does not Van Dine's Decalogue forbid the very act of tricking a reader with a mechanism that would not trick the detective?
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>>5585

Thanks for the Ozaki. But even if there are accomplices the big problem I'm seeing is it's hard for the culprit to leave the room when these reds make it seem like the two exits couldn't be used. So I'm trying to focus on that.

Or do you have something in mind that explains this with accomplices? Hmmm....
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>>5586

What if they broke the windows, then fixed them? For example: Jessica enters the room, she sees the culprit pointing a gun at her from her window. She calls for help, they shoot the window, enter, and shoot.

Then her window is repaired. Maybe with the help of Kumasawa and Kanon? Or the frame was removed and then put back. I know it's implausible but I'm a little stumped here.
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>>5587
>Thanks for the Ozaki

Err.. I meant "Thanks for the help Ozaki".
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>>5588
The windows were neither replaced nor repaired between Jessica and Natsuhi going on a walk, and Genji breaking down Jessica's door.

Perhaps it's just as well we retire for tonight. Think long and hard on a possible solution, and we continue tomorrow. Do feel free to consult with others; truly, a mystery is at its finest when it stumps not just one, nor two, but myriad people!
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>>5590

Alright, I guess we should. But how about I propose one more theory?

When you say the windows can't be locked from the inside, does that mean there's no mechanism on the outside? Or that someone must be entirely inside the room, with the window closed, to lock them?

I had windows that you could lock from the outside myself. You would do it by inserting a knife or something else thin through where the frame slides, and manipulating the locking mechanism that way. Pretty insecure, but it helped me out in a pinch! Her windows could be locked "from the inside" in this fashion because the tool used to do it was inside the room.
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>>5591
That... is a possibility. However, clarify at what point you believe the culprit made their egress from the room.
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>>5592

Before Natsuhi checked the windows. Since you said that they weren't opened after that point they would need to leave Jessica's room before that.
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>>5593
Let's take that as your running theory, then.

To sum up:

The culprit used method X to lock the windows from the outside, and left the room prior to Natsuhi inspecting the windows.

Well, good night, then!
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>>5594

Good night. I had fun.


I think you'll deny that theory first thing when we next play though~
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Well, once my challenger returns, perhaps she can elaborate, then, on the method of murder. For, Jessica was certainly killed, but gunshots were heard and a knife is present!! However, neither Gohda's kitchen knife, nor gunshots, killed Jessica!!
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So my last theory was enough for you? I was just grasping at straws. Or maybe you've just skipped that for now.

As for the murder weapon..... Jessica was killed with rose cutters.

Jessica was stabbed with a knife other than Gohda's.

Jessica was stabbed with a piece from her glass chest set!

But I'm just looking for weapons where the wound in the story could be her cause of death. What if her death was caused by something else and the wound was unrelated? Could you repeat: The wound on Jessica's chest was caused by the weapon that killed her.
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>>5601
Naturally, Jessica's wound was caused by the weapon that caused her death.

Naturally, the weapons you described are false. To make it easier on you, the weapon Jessica was killed with was never taken out of the room, and, the weapon she was killed with was hinted at in the story!
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Sorry. I was a bit distracted.

I can't see anything else obvious in the story. Figures you wouldn't give a hint like that if it was easy. So it was an indirect hint. And it never left her room.... Hm....
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>>5603
Forgive me, I merely liked to play around. In this gameboard, 'weapons' do not kill people. Naturally, that is because people kill people.

A simple trick of wordplay, which of course ran rampant on these boards before!
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>>5604

Damn. Does that mean one of the weapons I mentioned killed her? Or that you're asking me for the culprit?

It was Krauss.

You mentioned only 8 living people in the story and at the same time say no more than 9 were there. So It could have even be any person X who wasn't mentioned who killed Jessica.
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>>5605
Between Jessica playing chess with Natsuhi, and Natsuhi entering Jessica's room for the last time, Krauss never left his room!! Of course, Krauss's room and Jessica's room are different rooms!
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>>5606
Moreover, at this moment, the number of living people on the island is no more than 7.
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Krauss is dead. That's why he wasn't around. He was killed in his room as Jessica was killed in hers! Since Jessica and Krauss are dead out of eight people, there is an unknown person X!
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>>5608
Even if Krauss was dead, the number of murderers on the island is exactly 1! When Jessica entered her room for the last time, Krauss was still alive!!
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>>5609

This will sound like I'm crazy. But: Someone entered Rokkenjima between when Jessica entered her room last then killed Krauss and Jessica.

Or They killed Jessica and Krauss died from a cause that wasn't murder.
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>>5610
No one entered or left the island in between the morning of the day Jessica died, and the morning of the day after Jessica died!
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>>5611
Moreover, Krauss did not die to a cause that was not murder.
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>>5611

The number of people on the island is 9.

Person X waits in Jessica's room then kills her. The number of people is 8. Person X enters Krauss's then is killed by him (murder or self-defence. Now the number is 7.
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>>5613
Truly, now? However, the person that killed Jessica is still alive!
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>>5614
Moreover, the culprit's name is mentioned in the story. There is no unknown "Person X". Of all named people, only one is the murderer!

And to allay any fears, Natsuhi is innocent!! Indeed, for Natsuhi may well be the only person on the island free of sin!
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>>5614

Instead of before, it happened after:
-The number of people on the island is 9.
Person X waits in Jessica's room then kills her.
The number of people is 8.
Person X enters Krauss's room then murders him.
The number is people is now 7.
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>>5617
Why are you so eager to discuss Krauss's death, when none such was confirmed? At this point in time, Krauss is alive!
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>>5615

I wonder if you're saying they are all accomplices except for Natsuhi. Hmmmm...

Anyway, let me make sure Kinzo is dead. Person X is Kinzo who is still alive.
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>>5618

Basically I was thinking I should get the more tricky solutions out of the way before I name someone in the story.
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And since with Kinzo alive the number should be 8, he murdered at least two people. The murderer killed more people than just Jessica.
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>>5619
Naturally, Kinzo has died already! What other way for Natsuhi to become head? And he died of a natural cause.

>>5621
Unfortunately, Kinzo is dead, and so that theory does not have any basis!
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>>5622

Glad we got that out of the way. Kumasawa or Kanon is the culprit. Either one could have been heading back from Jessica's balcony. Then they ran into Natsuhi.
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Kumasawa is evil, shes cleaning too much.
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>>5624

Obviously cleaning up the scene of her crime! There is no other reason to clean.
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>>5624
>>5625
What are you talking about, how could you doubt this face, ohoho~
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>>5626

I'm watching you.
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>>5623
So you believe Kumasawa climbed out of the window, at her age? Despite being together with Shannon, who left the room after Kumasawa did?

And for Kanon, would his dirty shoes not have stained the balcony if he left through the window? At the time Jessica was murdered, Kanon's shoes were definitely muddy, after all!!
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>>5628

Perhaps not. But that reminds me. Are Kanon and Shannon two people in your mystery?

About Kanon. Kanon wasn't wearing his shoes the whole time. He could have easily taken them off I think.
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>>5629
Truly?
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>>5630
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>>5631
I yield.
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>>5632

Is that really it? I think you have something up your sleeve.
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>>5633
The only things I could present would be wordplay tricks to obscure the truth, or tricks that had no evidence presented in writing. I abhor such lowly tricks and shall not stoop so low to use them.
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>>5634

So the truth is that Kanon murdered Jessica. Took his shoes off so he wouldn't muddy the balcony, and closed the window from the outside, but also from the inside? In a manner similar to what I said with a tool being inside.

Was the motive formed when Jessica was saying there is no man in her heart?
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>>5636
The motive? We're talking about someone who thinks (s)he's a Witch, a female servant and said servant's 'little brother' at the same time. Forgive me if I accord the DID meido little mental stability.
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>>5637

I think that's reasonable. I don't quite know the details behind all his/her DID business. But then I have to agree he/she doesn't seem stable. At all.

Thanks for presenting me with your game and taking the effort to change it to an Umineko base. It might sound a bit shallow of me to say so, but I probably wouldn't find it as fun without that setting! Good game.
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>>5638
Had this been the "old age" of gameboards, I would've been able to declare that Kanon never entered Jessica's bedroom until after Genji broke down the door, and Kanon is not Shannon, and Shannon is not Kanon, and the murder weapon was never taken out of the room, but the murder weapon is not in Jessica's room. Notably, after stabbing Jessica, the murderer never touched the murder weapon again!

But those would be mean wordplay incidents that I dislike using.
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>>5639

Hmmm... all of those seem to be tricks his/her DID except the two weapon/room ones. Not sure what to think about those.

You also gave me the mystery around the weapon even though I was tricked with your wordplay there. Thanks for being merciful.
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>>5640
That was just to mess about a bit. I don't like relying on a trick of just red to keep a closed room closed.

The weapon part is solvable by Shannon took the weapon out. Since Kanon is the murderer, Shannon is innocent.
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Congrats, on solving your first gameboard, Eva-Ange.
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>>5641

Ah I get it. And yeah - I know how to view word play. I grateful for that!

>>5642

I actually solved one other gameboard (someone challenged me on msn). But thanks! And by the way. Are you just Rubilax or should I know you by another name?

The gameboard I played on msn was still pretty tricky but the GM held off on word play too. Glad I came when that sort of thing is going out of style!
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I've mainly used "Black Witch Rosa," but I've used, "Amy Demon of Familiars." "Mira Witch of Destruction."
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>>5645

Thanks for clearing that up. Names can get confusing to me around here.

Not helping the issue by using several names myself already.
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>>5643
Mysteries are more fun when they get solved. That's the point of a mystery. The very first game I viewed had a Kanon that was neither alive nor dead, but rather undead - it was jiggery pokery of the lowest level.
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>>5647
I wonder how many GM's here feel that way Lili. I do, I want my games to be solved, but I wonder how many others here want that when they start a game.

>>5646
I probably won't use "Amy" anymore at least not until I finish my second fanep. "Mira" I probably won't use again until I start up my next game. I'll probably use Rubilax or Rosa mainly, so hopefully it won't be too confusing.
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How silly, I would never go without shoes around a mansion.
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