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The rain was falling through the window and Rosa was already having regrets about Maria`s Cold. Maria got it while looking for her rose

George Battler and Jessica supposedly were taking care of her.

She herself asked them to take care of that. However that was 3 hours ago.

Kyrie told Rosa that Maria should be fine and that she should not bother them until tomorrow.

Natsuhi told her with a quiet and nice smile. that she should see if they are okay

Eva and Hideyoshi were quiet as if they were nervous

and Krauss and Rudolf acted as if they did something wrong.

Rosa then decided to see the cousins. So she left the room, and went to the guest house.

Rosa noticed that there was an strange atmosphere in the whole house

Rosa then walked slowly and opened the room......and then she saw the horror

Jessica Battler and George were dead. and Maria was singing in a creepy way.

Rosa then hugged Maria. and Maria laughed in a grotesque way.

Maria then turned into EVA-Beatrice and she started to laugh.

-WHAT DID YOU DO WITH MY DAUGHTER?

-Open that closet....
said the witch with a creepy smile

Rosa opened the closet door.....and lots of golden butterflies came from it.

and when she realized she was tied with a red web.

Rosa didn`t had any other option, She was already cornered.

DON'T WORRY ROSAAAAAAAAAAA. You shall be a pretty cookie.

Get away from me, NEE-SAN!

Evatrice then raised her staff and suddenly a giant cup of coffee appeared in the room.

Evatrice boiled Rosa alive and the witch laughed really hard.

Suddenly the door opened and Natsuhi, Kyrie, Rudolf,Krauss and hideyoshi
appeared in the room.

Eva was looking at them with wet eyes.

-I DIDNT KILLED HER IT WASNT ME IT WASNT ME.

was Eva the killer? or Evatrice?.

KIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI.
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>> No. 7928 edit
Alright, let's start with this.
Say it in red: Maria, Rosa, Battler, Jessica and George are dead. Their corpses were found by Natsuhi, Kyrie and the rest.
>> No. 7931 edit
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>>7928
Maria, George, Rosa, Battler and Jessica are dead. Their Corpses were found by Kyrie and Natsuhi.
>> No. 7932 edit
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>>7931
forgot to add this.

Hideyoshi, Rudolf and Krauss were with Natsuhi and Kyrie when they found the bodies.
>> No. 7933 edit
>>7932
The culprit is someone not mentioned so far!
The culprit commited suicide!

>> No. 7934 edit
There's something weird here. Basically Eva left the room where everyone was after Rosa left herself ?
>> No. 7935 edit
>>7933
None of the servants are the culprits.
>>7934
How did she appeared in the room?.
>> No. 7936 edit
One of the servants is a family member as well. Yasu killed them.
>> No. 7937 edit
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>>7935
Are you telling me no one noticed the fact that she left ? Huh.
Well then,
The culprit left the room where everyone was. Whether they noticed or not is irrelevant.
If not, then there's always the option that a person not mentioned is the killer since you didn't disprove it.

Also could we have some more details about the whole thing ? The state of the corpses ? Things like that.
>> No. 7939 edit
Shannon, Genji Kumasawa Kanon and Gohda are not the culprits.

There are only 18 persons on Rokkenjima
and Shannon and Kanon are different persons in this Kakera.
Therefore Yasu does not exist.


The culprit is mentioned in this narration


The culprit left the room where everyone was. Whether they noticed or not is irrelevant.
>> No. 7940 edit
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>>7939
Ok, I've got one request : Please confirm the location of everyone at the moment Rosa opened the room where the cousin's corpses are.
>> No. 7941 edit
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>>7940
I refuse.
>> No. 7942 edit
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>>7941
Then it's simple :
The culprit left before Rosa, killed the cousins then killed Rosa when she arrived. Eva arrived afterwards for some reason.
Or the culprit left after Rosa but was faster than her in getting to the guest room
>> No. 7943 edit
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>>7942

The culprit killed the cousins first, then Rosa.

However how did he managed to dissapear and frame Eva?
>> No. 7944 edit
There was no denial that the culprit committed suicide.

Rosa was killed by a trap.

Eva was in the room with Rosa when Rosa was killed.
>> No. 7945 edit
Some more information would be helpful, cause like this we can more or less use every blue truth we want.
For exampel:
Rosa went to the guesthouse to look for Maria, Eva decided to follow her for reason x. Marie killed the cousins for some reason x and when Rosa entered the room, Marie and her startet a fight and both died, Eva seeing all this. Then the others came.
Well that theory is really bad, but still...
>> No. 7946 edit
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Okay, I will give you four red truths regarding the room and the murders
The room is a rectangular room with 4 walls and a floor there is only one closet.
Rosa found something Horrible in the closet
The Walls and the floor of the room were stained by blood.
Eva had blood stains in most of her body

>>7944

Rosa wasn't killed by a trap.

I aknowledge that:
Eva was in the room with Rosa when Rosa was killed.



>>7945

When Rosa entered in the room, ALL the cousins were already dead

I aknowledge that Eva decided to follow Rosa
>> No. 7947 edit
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7947
Thank you for these red truths, I appreciate it.
Then let's continue the search for the truth, shall we? hihi

Eva doesn't blame anyone, so I guess Eva didn't see or didn't recognize the culprit?

I guess the key to solving this mystery is the closet... The amount of blood isn't normal either...

Not all the blood belonged to the victims, artificial blood was used

Rosa found one of the corpses inside the closet
>> No. 7948 edit
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>>7947
Eva saw the culprit, a Witch and in a shock she couldn't accuse someone else.

Rosa saw Maria's corpse in the closet.
>> No. 7949 edit
>>7948
George is the culprit, thus Eva didn't want to put the blame on him.
>> No. 7950 edit
>>7949
George is Dead.
No one is faking their death.
>> No. 7951 edit
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>>7950
Hideyoshi is the culprit then, same reason why Eva didn't accuse him.
>> No. 7952 edit
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>>7951
Hideyoshi is not the culprit.
>> No. 7953 edit
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>>7952
Such a blunt statement. I love it ~

You mentioned that there were only 18 person on the island, and that the culprit is mentioned in the narration. If there is 18 person then Kinzo surely is alive right ? But he isn't mentioned in the narration...

I'll try it anyway : Kinzo is the culprit, Eva didn't say it was him because she thought he was dead.
>> No. 7954 edit
>>7953
Kinzo is alive and well, and he didn't kill any of the victims mentioned in this tale

Hmmm well...its an alternate interpretation.


Okay I will give you a Hint in the shape of a bad riddle.
The bigger the role you have....the worst your soul is.
>> No. 7955 edit
>>7954
Woops...I meant to say:
You made a nice alternate interpretation however that didn't happened.
>> No. 7956 edit
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>>7954
An hint ? Already ? Well I guess it's about time I get serious with this.

Ushiromiya Rosa committed suicide.
>> No. 7957 edit
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I claim that
Rose commited murder!
>> No. 7958 edit
>>7956
>>7957
None of the deseased ones are the culprits
None of the deseased commited suicide.
>> No. 7959 edit
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>>7958
Is the identity of the culprit the reason why Eva didn't say anything ? Couldn't it be simply the shock of seeing the murder. I just realized I might have gone the wrong way from the beginning there.
>> No. 7960 edit
>>7959
Indeed. Eva was shocked as hell
>> No. 7961 edit
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>>7960
Then where is the mystery ? There doesn't seem to be anything that require the presence of a witch here. The only mystery left is the identity of the culprit, and we have so few suspects.

The culprit left the room some time after Rosa did. He then went to the room where the corpses are.
Either he arrived before Rosa and killed all the cousins or the cousins were already dead for some time.
Rosa then arrived, she opens the closet where Maria's corpse is. Eva enters. The culprit kill Rosa and then leave.
He joins the group of Kyrie and Natsuhi and reenters the room along with them.


For the identity of the culprit it could be Natsuhi, Rudolf, Kyrie and Krauss.

There's also the possibility that the culprit threatened to kill Hideyoshi or anyone at all, if she told that he was the culprit
>> No. 7962 edit
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7962
To much possibilities remain...
Everyone could be the culprit...

I would like to know whether the culprit was inside the guestroom or not and if the method of murder was direct.

Another silly theory:
Natushi is the culprit! She killed everyone from outside the room, using a gun or something similar and entered the room afterwards together with everyone without them noticing. Eva saw her through the window. she's suspicious because she told Rosa to go see Maria.

But that doesn't involve your hint...
>> No. 7963 edit
>>7961
When the adults arrived only Eva and the Corpses were there....there was no trace of someone recently leaving.
Also Natsuhi, Rudolf, Kyrie and Krauss didn't had traces of blood.

>>7962
Heh I like You.

I refuse since its too early to answer that.
>> No. 7964 edit
Eva-Beatrice is a person.
>> No. 7965 edit
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>>7964
well, someone killed the victims.
>> No. 7966 edit
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>>7963
"There was no trace of someone leaving ?"
That's a very vague red we've got there.
The culprit dissimulated any trace of his presence on the crime scene
Assuming the trace refers to the door only, A secret passage was used to get in and out of the room.
The walls, floor or ceiling were removed
There's no window to this room right ? Well I'll try anyway : The culprit left through the window

Otherwise, Lambda's theory is a possibility the culprit used a long-range weapon from outside of the crime scene.
The statement that "Eva saw the culprit" is still correct even if she didn't see him at the moment of the murder : being a part of the family members, she saw him. She just doesn't recognize him as the culprit ( I do love those wordplays. )

I repeat my theory that the cousins are already dead when Rosa left the room. Leaving only Rosa's death a mystery.

What else do I have ? ~ Ah yes, Rosa died by accident.

If the culprit did kill Rosa from inside the room, there are several ways he could have avoided having blood on himself : wearing someone else's clothes, putting a plastic bag over his clothes. He could also have killed Rosa inside of the closet and then took her corpse out of it so that the blood would be inside the closet.
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>>7963
Thihi I feel honored!

Right now I could more or less only repeat what Squitcher said (about using a plastic bag etc.), so for now I will wait for you to counter his blue truths.

Oh and on a side note
It was never even stated the room had a ceiling to begin with if I understand that correctly.

Well, I will think some more and I'm looking forward to it!
>> No. 7968 edit
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>>7965
Of course. I meant to say Eva-Beatrice is a distinct person from every other person mentioned in the story.
>> No. 7974 edit
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>>7966
The culprit dissimulated any trace of his presence on the crime scene
A secret passage was used to get in and out of the room.
The walls, floor or ceiling were removed
There are no Windows here
the culprit DIDN'T used a long-range weapon from outside of the crime scene.

the cousins were already dead when Rosa left the room.

About the accident I told already that she was killed by someone else.

and I refuse to repeat the last one.


>>7967
The room has a Ceiling
>>7968
There are no more than 18 persons.
George Battler, Jessica Maria and Rosa are dead.
and Only the ones mentioned in this story are related to the murder.
>> No. 7975 edit
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>>7974
Yes, I know all those things- they don't refute what I am implying, though.

A human called Eva-Beatrice exists.

17 of the people on Rokkenjima are Battler, George, Jessica, Maria, Kanon, Shannon, Kinzo, Gohda, Kumasawa, Genji, Rudolf, Kyrie, Rosa, Natsuhi, Krauss, Eva, and Hideyoshi, correct?

Nanjo isn't the 18th person; Eva-Beatrice is.

It would fit all your reds.
>> No. 7976 edit
>>7975
The 18 persons whether alive or dead on rokkenjima are:
Kinzo,Krauss,Eva,Rudolf,Rosa,Natsuhi,
Kyrie,Hideyoshi,George,Battler,Jessica,
Maria,Kanon,Shannon,Genji,Gohda,Kumasawa and Nanjo.

>> No. 7977 edit
Alright, alright...

So... since no one has brought this really basic one up I will: Eva isn't the culprit.
>> No. 7978 edit
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>>7977
I refuse to say that in red.
>> No. 7979 edit
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7979
Hm this really isn't easy...
Ok let's try some things!

The culprit used a poison with delayed effect to kill Rosa!
Eva has blood on her because she touched Goerge!
The walls, floor or ceiling were removed
and replaced with blood stained ones.
Artificial blood was used
>> No. 7980 edit
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>>7974
Ah, my blue did hit so. Then it seems the howdunnit is almost entirely solved is it not ?
I'll present then what happened according to your responses :
The culprit killed the cousins sometimes before Rosa left to check Maria's state.
When Rosa left ( Quickly followed by Eva ), the culprit used the secret passage to get to the guesthouse's room, he then killed Rosa in that room in front of Eva. He probably used the plastic bag trick I brought up earlier
( Since you didn't deny it ~) and killed Rosa, he then didn't have any blood on him thanks to the bag and Eva was plastered with it. He then leaves by the same secret passage.
Now for Eva's silence, it could simply the sheer horror of having seen the crime or, like I already said, she the culprit could have threatened to kill Hideyoshi if she said anything.


Now, what is wrong with that, BEATRICE ?

>>7979
Wait why are you using red.
>> No. 7981 edit
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>>7980
Ah just wanted to quote Lion, but ehm...
Sorry for that...
>> No. 7982 edit
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>>7981
Ahah, I see. 't's alright, no need to worry.
>> No. 7983 edit
>>7979
the corpse had Wounds. So if it was a poison it would be woundless
Eva has blood on her because she touched Goerge!

I made a typo with the walls and floor, THEY WEREN'T REMOVED.
I apogolize for my mistake and in exchange I will give you a hint as a way to apogolize for my incompetence.

Someone had TOO MUch time prepare the room for the murders

>>7980
NO SECRET PASSAGES EXIST ON THAT ROOM.
>> No. 7984 edit
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How about this one?

There are multiple culprits. The person who murdered the cousins is different from the person who killed Rosa.
>> No. 7985 edit
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>>7984
There is only 1 culprit
>> No. 7986 edit
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Okay, so it seems like Krauss, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, Natsuhi and Kyrie were with each other the whole time starting from when Rosa left for the cousins' room.

It's actually quite odd that everyone seems to have decided to go to the guest house at the same time.
>> No. 7987 edit
>>7986
Lets just say that the killer is incompetent that's all and can be easily blinded by its emotions.
>> No. 7988 edit
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Eva really is the culprit. There's no special trick to how she killed them (knife, gun, ect.)

There's really not much to go on for a motive, though. Maybe she thinks she's possessed by a witch or something.
>> No. 7989 edit
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*giggling* thanks for the hint.
Ok, let's see...

This is my new theory!




The culprit ( Before Rosa even worried about Maria, but less then 3 hours ago ) went to the guesthouse without anyone noticing.
There he killed the siblings and as a Result, they and the room were covered in blood.
He then somehow got rid of the blood on him or never had any on him to begin with and installed something at the back of the door.
(A sharp object, like a knife or something)
Afterwards he returned to the room were everyone else was, again without them noticing.
(There's also the posibility that they noticed, but that a lie was used like "I'll go to the toilet")
Some time after Rosa and later Eva went to the guesthouse and found the corpses.
They both hugged their dead childs and were covered in blood after that!

The others were already on their way too ( for whatever reason) and the culprit opened the door!
The Moment he did, the blade on the door killed Rosa who was right there! (for whatever reason)
Then the others apeared in the room, Eva saw the culprit and tried to convince them that she didn't kill her!

>> No. 7990 edit
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>>7988
A cruel game master would allow you to do that move. You are basically accepting that a Witch did it with that theory.

>>7989
As I said, A trap wasn't used to kill Rosa.
>> No. 7991 edit
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>>7990
So this counts as a trap...I was already afraid that this would be the case...
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>>7990
Well this is getting pretty interesting.
>The culprit dissimulated any trace of his presence on the crime scene

Since this is the post where you made a typo, you meant the opposite right ?
If that is so :
The culprit never even left any trace of his presence in the first place

Basically at this point, the main mystery is to know how the culprit managed to kill Rosa inside the guesthouse and not being bothered by the other three adults right ?
>> No. 7993 edit
>>7992
exactly. also
no, the walls removed typo was the only typo.

I apologize for that.
>> No. 7996 edit
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>>7990
So indirect... Ok, I'll pretend you said "Eva is not the killer" in red then.

The killer, say Krauss, was in the room all along; the Krauss seen back at the mansion was someone else in disguise. Eva is shocked because she just saw 2 Krausses
>> No. 7999 edit
>>7996
The killer didn't pretend to be someone else
>> No. 8000 edit
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8000
That doesn't refute my blue. I said someone else pretended to be the same person as the killer. I never said the killer hid their own identity
>> No. 8001 edit
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Okay I'll take some smaller steps now...

You said in red that:
Eva has blood on her because she touched Goerge!
and Eva was in the room with Rosa when Rosa was killed.


Therefore, it's possible that: If she hadn't touched George, she wouldn't have blood stains on her. It's possible to be in the room when someone is murdered without getting blood on you.
So the fact that no one of the adults had blood on them isn't a problem.


I actually belive this is wrong again...But let's give it a try!
>> No. 8002 edit
>>8000
From the day the Ushiromiya arrived on Rokkenjima, until the times of the murders No one disguised itself as another person on the island.

>>8001
Its impossible murder someone without getting dirty.
>> No. 8003 edit
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then The culprit somehow got rid of the blood on him
>> No. 8006 edit
>>8003
Yup, the culprit managed to murder without getting dirty
>> No. 8007 edit
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>>8002
>>8006

Logic error?
>> No. 8016 edit
>>8007
Think about it, its a big hint.
>> No. 8019 edit
>>8016
The culprit's name is "its impossible"
>> No. 8023 edit
KIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI
>> No. 8024 edit
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Its impossible murder someone without getting dirty.

the culprit managed to murder without getting dirty

...
That one's really hard...
The only thing suspicous is that you didn't use the word "someone" in the second red, but maybe I'm overdoing it here...


The culprit managed to murder "something"(not a person/someone) without getting dirty

Someone is a name, he can't be murdered without getting dirty

...Ahh! I don't like my idears...

Ok so here's a request, repeat in red exactly that:

the culprit managed to murder someone without getting dirty

If you can do that, then the culprit really managed to do something impossible, something only a Witch could do...
>> No. 8025 edit
>>8024



The culprit managed to murder Rosa Battler Maria Jessica and George without getting dirty

You are doing a nice job LambdaAlpha.
>> No. 8026 edit
Rosa Battler George Maria Jessica aren't people?
>> No. 8037 edit
Of course George, Battler, Jessica, Maria and Rosa are people.
>> No. 8039 edit
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I'd like some things confirmed, if you don't mind (I apologize if this was suggested/asked/answered/confirmed earlier, in that case, I must've missed it.)

Firstly, I'd like a definition of: "getting dirty". It's simply the fact that while the culprit *himself/herself* couldn't get dirty, doesn't mean he could've have used some other object/instrument to protect himself from getting dirty. So, in other words, I can just claim the culprit used/worse something to protect himself from blood and disposed of it at a later time.
Also, there's something else I want to have confirmed: The culprit utilized a method that, under normal circumstances, must've caused him to get blood on him. Again, the reasoning is pretty basic - he just used something that allowed didn't require direct contact with him. Let's see, what else...?
I'd like you to repeat the part on impersonations. I want you to tell me that the culprit cannot impersonate dead people. Again - simple reasoning - the culprit could've just hidden as of the dead people (hiding the real body), killed Rosa from inside the room, brought the real body out of hiding (although, it's a bit of a long shot in itself, considering the fact there really is no place to hide it...) and eventually joined up with the rest. Not really a big deal, and I pretty much doubt that theory, but whatevs. Might as well have it confirmed. Also, I'd like you to state that, while the culprit was not dirty from the murder, he did not get dirty later.

Finally - let's move on to something else. The actual time of the crime. First I want something confirmed, yet again:

The culprit had killed George, Battler, Jessica and Maria and left the room when Rosa wondered about Maria's well-being and left the room.
Of course, by "the room", I'm referring to the room inside of the mansion Rosa left at the beginning of the story.

In any case, if you can't repeat that, then I'd like you to at least respond do this:
After killing George, Battler, Jessica and Maria, the culprit left the room before Rosa entered it.

Not sure if this was denied earlier or not, but might as well ask it:
I want it confirmed that there are no secret passages involved, that includes the room in the mansion and the guestroom/house and the closet. Also, I want to make sure - we are talking about "closet" as in, a wardrobe or a separate space altogether?

Let's see... what else? I'd want to confirm that Eva was "afraid" of the culprit rather than wanting to "protect" him, but you could easily just say that relationships with people might not necessarily be the ones we have come to know, soooo...
Well, I guess I'd want this confirmed: Battler, Jessica, George and Maria died from the same cause of death. They died during the same period of time.
That's all I have so far.
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>>8039
the cousins were already dead when Rosa left the room.
*I think that'll answer some of your questions for the moment. I must admit I'm kinda confused by the vagueness of a lot of red statement and of what we're supposed to find so I didn't managed to post earlier. But for now I'll wait for the answer of the blue above me.
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>>8040
Aha, sorry. I must've missed that. Though most of my questions regarding the murder of the cousins was directed more on the actual position of the culprit than their actual deaths. Because, from what I understood:

The culprit is mentioned in this narration
So, it must be someone that was mentioned to have been in the room with Rosa before she went out to check the guesthouse, right?
So, I just wanted to confirm that the timeline of events was: the culprit went out of the guesthouse and went to the room with the rest. After all, while the actual murderer couldn't impersonate someone, maybe someone could've impersonated the murderer. There are 18 people on the island, and all...
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>>8039
the culprit used something to protect himself from blood and disposed of it at a later time.


The culprit utilized a method that, under normal circumstances, must've caused him to get blood on him.

The culprit CANNOT impersonate dead people or someone else.


The culprit had killed George, Battler, Jessica and Maria and left the room when Rosa wondered about Maria's well-being and left the room.


The only room is the cousin room and There are no secret passages


Battler, Jessica, George and Maria died from the same cause of death. They died during the same period of time.

Nice job.

>>8040
the cousins were already dead when Rosa left the room.
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>>8042
Moving on, then.

The culprit killed Rosa before Eva entered the room.
Eva witnessed Rosa's murder.
Rosa died by the same cause of death as the cousins.
After killing Rosa, the culprit joined up with other people.
The culprit was aware Eva knew who her or she was.

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>>8041
Well, the culprit, by deduction, can only be Kyrie, Krauss, Natsuhi, Rudolf, or, of course, Eva , but I think you would understand that framing Eva is not a good idea.
We are able to deduce that from most Red statements, I'm too lazy to gather them all, but basically, everyone except Nanjo has been confirmed innocent, and since Nanjo isn't present in the narration, he obviously is innocent as well.

>>8042
The culprit used something to protect himself from blood and disposed of it at a later time.
I wonder why there was that argument with the blood splatter when I already proposed the solution back then, or at least almost the solution, which you refused to answer, eh.

Also, I mean no harm there, Lion, but these statements :



Its impossible murder someone without getting dirty.

the culprit managed to murder without getting dirty


With the presented solution you just gave us, I would be tented to call "Logic Error" Especially the first statement, because in the way it is phrased, we're supposed to understand that no matter how we would have murdered, he would have immediately been stained by blood, try to be more specific with that.
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>>8025
Thihi, just you wait witch, the truth will be found!

I also have another request, I would like to have a definiton for "to murder".
For example, if you somehow forced/tricked someone to kill a person for you, would it count as murder and would you get dirty?
Or do you have to end the life or the murdered person directly?
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>>8042
the culprit used something to protect himself from blood and disposed of it at a later time.
Oh okay that makes things easier again.
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In any case, I also want to be confirmed:

There exists an accomplice or accomplices.

Also, I have question. Assume we figure out the howdunnits, I still have a question about figuring out who the culprit actually is. There is nothing about other people's actions in the narrative that might indicate: "THEY DID IT, LOL". It can really go both ways.

If there are accomplices, then we can either go Kyrie/Rudolf, Natsuhi/Krauss. The problem is that their statement could really go both ways. Kyrie said to Rosa not to go to the guest house in order to stop her from finding the bodies. However, Natsuhi could've also intentionally told her to go to the guesthouse and kill her, sooo... It could go both ways, really. Erm, in any case, my question - given the narrative, is it actually possible to figure out who did it based on the solution of the howdunnit?
>> No. 8048 edit
The culprit killed Rosa before Eva entered the room.
Eva witnessed Rosa's murder.
Rosa died by the same cause of death as the cousins.
After killing Rosa, the culprit joined up with other people.
The culprit was aware Eva knew who her or she was.



There exists an accomplice or accomplices.


>>8044
I refused since It was going to put me on a bad situation
about that statement check The raven paradox.
>> No. 8051 edit
Soooo alright.
The culprit is most likely Natsuhi. It would most certainly fit with that first hint (what was it, "the smaller your role is, the more guilty you are", or something like that...?) As in, her role in the family is considered small, etc., etc.

Now, as for what happened...

The accomplice knocked out Eva, who witnessed Rosa's murder from the hallway.
The victims were most likely stabbed, including Rosa.
Natsuhi's accomplice is Krauss.

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>>8051
KIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI
>> No. 8053 edit
>>8051
That is correct.
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>>8053
Wait. So that's it ? Dang. I feel pretty dumb not having brought up an accomplice.
But I was probably stopped by this red : There is only 1 culprit
Eh, that was pretty dumb of me.
Natsuhi being a culprit was the most likely choice in any case so I'm not really surprised by that, even if that means she had to kill her beloved daughter ~
>> No. 8055 edit
>>8054
Also check the text.
Natsuhi told her with a quiet and nice smile.

We can make a Second Twilight, on another fragment(other culprit, not Natsuhi) if the Challengers agree.
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>>8055
Well I'm up for another round. If you think you can make a strong mystery even with the culprits already discovered then go on, in the contrary, if you think you'd better be creating a new from scratch you can go, I'll follow both, just don't disappoint me ~
Oh and please, if you do, try to explain the basic explanation a bit better at start, it'll avoid that we work up on nothing at the start.

Either way. Come and fight, Witch !
>> No. 8057 edit
>>8056
It will be on another fragment with a new culprit.
>> No. 8060 edit
>>7946
>Eva was in the room with Rosa when Rosa was killed.
>>8048
>The culprit killed Rosa before Eva entered the room.

What gives?
>> No. 8061 edit
>>8060
Eva was in the room with Rosa when Rosa was killed.
The culprit killed Rosa before Eva entered the room.

When Eva entered the room Rosa was already wounded and with no much time left.
Eva entered the room, and Rosa died at that moment.
>> No. 8062 edit
>>8060
>>8061
Heh, that's some dirty wordplay but it works. Had he said instead : "Rosa died before Eva entered the room" things would have been different.
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I'm against the idea of the culprits being already known. We, as players, will be able to bend our theories and try to basically make everything fit with them as culprits, eventually reaching the solution with guesswork.

In my opinion, you should make a new one from scratch.

...Besides, while it may be interesting, knowing the culprit from the get-go isn't very fun to me.
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>>8055
I would gladly accept another challenge hihi.

Oh, maybe I'm missing something there, but what exactly did the culprit prepare?

Someone had TOO much time to prepare the room for the murders
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I imagine it has to do with:
> She herself asked them to take care of that. However that was 3 hours ago.
Part.

Well, that, or it was referring to the fact that Natsuhi pretty much lives on the island and could've had everything set up long before the family conference...
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>>8071
yes, that would work.
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