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This thread will be for OOC Chatter and Discussion.

Character Sheets:
George (Myn Nthelsyr) http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=215664
Hideiling (Michael Silversteel) http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=217177
Bernkastel ("Bernkastel") http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=285555
Astaroth (Torinn Tormine) http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=217138
Liliane (Sariel) http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=217112
anon-kun (Sureiya) http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=224099

The Books: http://www.mediafire.com/?7g2v42d2xdy7f

Re: CHARACTER BUILDER (VERY useful!)
Everything has been put together here and organized for maximum ease of use:

http://www.mediafire.com/?44xdbd8bl89dbkg

Step 0: Download the above, unrar it.
Step 1: Run the program in the Step 1 folder, this will download the character builder.
Step 2: Run the program in the Step 2 folder, this will update your Cbuilder. Make sure to specify the directory to which you installed the program in Step 1. Be absolutely sure of this, because it may try to install in a different directory (Program Files as opposed to Program Files x86 or vice versa), which will not work.
Step 3: Move the files in the Step 3 folder into the CBuilder directory.
Step 4: Run the "CharacterBuilderLoader.exe" file. It will take some time to download all the custom content the first (and perhaps second) time you load it.
Step 5: That should be it. Remember, always open it using the CharacterBuilderLoader.exe and not the default Cbuilder file.
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By the way, if you guys want to open the door to the room to the east, I'll need a post saying you're doing it. It's filled with dragons, after all.
>> No. 4764 edit
>more dragons
Myn goes first
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>>4763
Heads for the head god! Necks for the neck throne!
>> No. 4768 edit
>>4764

I'll beat all of them with my dagger and level up three times ne.
>> No. 4769 edit
>>4768
Right, you go in first, then.
>> No. 4771 edit
You know, there's one easy way to determine what could be in that other room (or ahead, for that matter) that I haven't heard suggested yet.
>> No. 4772 edit
>>4771
>Ask cultist
>Use scrying ritual
>> No. 4773 edit
What do we want the rabble to do anyway?
>> No. 4774 edit
hey you're the one who called him idk
>> No. 4779 edit
>>4771
Perception?
>> No. 4780 edit
>>4779
or sending book imp or spiri-no only 10 square range.. Hmm.. Stealth from anon? (Real risky though).. Sending the minion ahead possibly? (Not that i'd approve)
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>>4780
They have a 20 square range, not 10. Also, my idea for finding out what was on the other side of the door involved "ask the cult rabble."
>> No. 4784 edit
>>4782

No that's a totally unreliable and dangerous plan ne.
>> No. 4788 edit
the bakas to the east, search the room etc.
>> No. 4792 edit
sureiya should bring books etc
>> No. 4795 edit
So CB has updated with the new feats. Are they legal, do they invalidate current houserule feats etc.
>> No. 4796 edit
>>4795
IF the bard feat doesn't work with implement etc, I think that might be a bug on the coders side of the cb.
>> No. 4797 edit
Text says "with the weapon" so it might be correct. Weapon, not Implement.
>> No. 4822 edit
wat u mean useless. cant scroll be used almost immediately. we can use for our surge issue
>> No. 4823 edit
of course you realize it just as i post
>> No. 4824 edit
>>4823
no i was trollan
>> No. 4825 edit
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Currently, surges left:
Torinn 3
Sureiya 0
Michael 3
Sariel 4
Bernkastel 5
Myn 5


Redistributed according to my arbitrary prioritization:
Torinn 5
Sureiya 4
Michael 3
Sariel 3
Bernkastel 2
Myn 2
Surge tax 1

>> No. 4827 edit
>>4825
Do we have that ritual?
>> No. 4828 edit
>>4827
we found the ritual and some scrolls scrolls can be used instantly etc>>4825
sounds good etc
>> No. 4829 edit
>>4825
I have no problem with this.
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>Elven Chain Shirt - Level 9/19/29 Uncommon
>Wonderous Item
>Property: You gain +1/+2/+3 item bonus to AC while wearing this shirt with light or no armor.
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Eye'm upstairs no surges for you people.
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>>4835
Hence the "drag" part.
>> No. 4839 edit
hmm, i think there might be an error with my cbuilder when trying to update stuff today. Didn't help that on the first launch (cbloader launched before merging was finished), it crashed etc.
>> No. 4840 edit
Maybe I should have grabbed Shadow's Apathy instead of Chilling Smite. Weakening's a pretty strong effect, and it's reliable, too.
>> No. 4841 edit
i think its the feats section which was giving me errors, gonna try deleting that and see if it fixes it.
>> No. 4842 edit
Yay, it work. Now, I'm still confused on what is best for equipping monks with etc. I know daggers and sometimes ki focus are good, but i still confuse.
>> No. 4844 edit
here rin etc

====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
level 6
Human, Monk
Monastic Tradition: Centered Breath
Human Power Selection: Bonus At-Will Power
Background: Auspicious Birth, Missing Master (Auspicious Birth Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 21, Int 8, Wis 15, Cha 10.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 18, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 10.


AC: 22 Fort: 17 Reflex: 21 Will: 19
HP: 58 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 14

TRAINED SKILLS
Insight +10, Acrobatics +13, Athletics +8, Stealth +13, Perception +10

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +2, Bluff +3, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +5, Endurance +3, Heal +5, History +2, Intimidate +3, Nature +5, Religion +2, Streetwise +3, Thievery +8

FEATS
Human: Unarmored Agility
Level 1: Deadly Draw
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Accurate dagger)
Level 4: Improved Defenses
Level 6: Superior Will

POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Crane's Wings
Monk at-will 1: Steel Wind
Monk at-will 1: Five Storms
Monk encounter 1: Drunken Monkey
Monk daily 1: Masterful Spiral
Monk utility 2: Swift Flight
Monk encounter 3: Eternal Mountain
Monk daily 5: Spinning Leopard Maneuver
Monk utility 6: Centered Defense

ITEMS
Monk Unarmed Strike
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>>4844
If you don't have access to Starblade Flurry, I'd probably go the staff route instead of a dagger. You can get an accurate staff just as easily as an accurate dagger, and Staff of Ruin is an excellent weapon. Plus you have access to Staff Training and Hafted Defense, and the awesome Staff Expertise.

Starblade Flurry is pretty much the only reason a dagger is at all popular for a monk.
>> No. 4846 edit
>>4845
I see. What about armor and such
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>>4846
Flowform armor is generally the best cloth armor for any given situation. Kinda makes Steadfast Amulet redundant, though, so I'd say personal choice on neck item.

Depending on your starting level, though, you might not have a wide selection and may need to make do with what you have available.
>> No. 4852 edit
So, wrist razors are considered simple melee, but also arm slot items? How exactly would a monk go about getting one etc or considering it arm slot and adding ki weapon, rhythm weapon, or shielding enchant would be fine
>> No. 4853 edit
>>4852
Hmm, monks have a pretty pathetic attack bonus though they do mostly target reflex, fort and sometimes will.
>> No. 4857 edit
>>4856
pffthaha
>> No. 4858 edit
why is everyone else a fearless paragon of courage do they have nothing they're afraid of that's not fair
>> No. 4859 edit
>>4858
my character was planned terribly and i didnt put much thought and had trouble figuring out how to develop it etc
>> No. 4860 edit
>>4859
and it was my first one too
>> No. 4861 edit
>>4860
add some fears now ok

like dragons
>> No. 4862 edit
>>4861
2 l8
>> No. 4863 edit
fey stepping etc, ofc sariel knows no fear she's lina inverse
>> No. 4864 edit
here rin, rate etc. Done with the estimated level 6 items etc for that level. some of the gold from unchosen level 6 I think it was put towards armor/staff and whatever gold I had on me if that was allowed.

====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
level 6
Human, Monk
Monastic Tradition: Centered Breath
Human Power Selection: Bonus At-Will Power
Background: Auspicious Birth, Missing Master (Auspicious Birth Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 21, Int 8, Wis 15, Cha 10.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 18, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 10.


AC: 24 Fort: 16 Reflex: 21 Will: 19
HP: 58 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 14

TRAINED SKILLS
Insight +10, Acrobatics +13, Athletics +8, Stealth +13, Perception +10

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +2, Bluff +3, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +5, Endurance +3, Heal +5, History +2, Intimidate +3, Nature +5, Religion +2, Streetwise +3, Thievery +8

FEATS
Human: Unarmored Agility
Level 1: Hafted Defense
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Accurate staff)
Level 4: Deadly Draw
Feat User Choice: Staff Expertise
Level 6: Superior Will

POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Crane's Wings
Monk at-will 1: Five Storms
Monk at-will 1: Steel Wind
Monk encounter 1: Drunken Monkey
Monk daily 1: Masterful Spiral
Monk utility 2: Swift Flight
Monk encounter 3: Eternal Mountain
Monk daily 5: Spinning Leopard Maneuver
Monk utility 6: Centered Defense

ITEMS
Monk Unarmed Strike, Flowform Cloth Armor (Basic Clothing) +1, Accurate staff of Ruin +1, Adventurer's Kit, Climber's Kit, Everburning Torch, Fine Clothing, Footpads, Sunrod (10), Travel Papers, Rushing Cleats (heroic tier), Bracers of Brachiation (heroic tier), Blurred Strike Ki Focus +1
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>> No. 4865 edit
>>4862
>>4863
hax
>> No. 4868 edit
Full Discipline definition is confusing. At least the encounter part.
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Just a heads-up, there's gonna be a bit of a delay today while I work out the rest of the dungeon crawl in advance so that future updates will come more smoothly. I only have a rough outline right now, and it's been a bit of a bumpy ride on my end.
>> No. 4872 edit
>>4871
Rate
>>4864
etc
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>>4864
Even nerfed as it is, I think Melee Training is essential for a monk that doesn't favor Strength. Aside from that, it seems solid enough.
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Bernkastel, if I might suggest a feat to strongly consider in the future so these particular challenges are less scary?
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>>4875
Rin would just raise the DCs, right.
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>>4876
Don't be silly, I follow the guidelines for skill DCs based on the table in the Rules Compendium.
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>>4877
Really?

... Even for DCs against insight and perception?
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>>4876
I don't believe Rin is actively conspiring against us to make things like skill challenges harder. And it's worth 2 Aid Anothers at the moment, which is kind of a big deal.
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>>4880
If a character's bonuses are left unchecked in favor of DCs and opposing checks based only on levels, it could eventually become impossible to hide anything from the character's passive insight and perception.

Well, maybe I'll have room for that in mid-paragon.
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>>4881
I don't think arbitrarily raising the DCs is justified even then. You'd need a darn good reason to make it harder than it would normally be.
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>>4882
Good reasons aren't too difficult to come up with, right? For example, I want to guess at a person's motives with an insight check, but that person could secretly be a level 30 dragon with high level-based bonuses to every skill. Naturally, I would have no chance, but if my skill bonuses ever became on par with a level 30 dragon's, we'd simply end up encountering more of such.
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>>4883
>everybody is a level 30 dragon in disguise
>we somehow end up running into a lot of people who are level 30 dragons in disguise
That is extremely improbable.
>> No. 4885 edit
>>4884
everyone is valanor and valanor pet
>> No. 4887 edit
>>4885
>"no adventurers, you are the valanors"
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>>4888
>not taking 10
>> No. 4890 edit
difficult DC etc, taking 10 probably not enough only get 26 not 30
>> No. 4891 edit
>>4890
"Hard" DC should be 22, according to
>>4877
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>>4878
Obviously, I meant that for checks you were MEANT to be able to pass.
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>>4893
What if we succeed on checks we weren't meant to pass?
>> No. 4895 edit
>>4874
I was going more for the defensive monk that goes into the fray and causes enemies to cluster up and whatnot for big multiple target damage or effects. I'll have to look at melee training
>> No. 4896 edit
>>4895
Oh, I see what you mean now. Not going to hit much at level 6 with only +7 to attack. +12 sounds better but not sure what I should give up. Deadly draw is good, but so is everything else. That's the only thing I could really give up. My only problem defense is fort, and slightly will.
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>>4896
With a decent Wisdom score, your Will defense should be fine at this level without any feat boosts. I took Superior Will on my Invoker primarily because of the level 1 daily that causes her to daze herself.

Any character is going to have 1-2 defenses that are weak, that just can't be helped, really.
>> No. 4898 edit
>>4897
Oh, okay. But for a monk (tanky/well, more defensively/defenses) is it good? And the attack should be fine now that I switched deadly draw for that melee thing you talked about. (12 attack now)
>> No. 4908 edit
wtb aid anothers
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Update after I nap and have a chance to make the next part of the map.

>>4898
I think it's okay to not pay a lot of feat-service to defenses in the heroic tier, as it's not until mid-paragon that they start to fall severely behind expected math.

Remember, though, melee training just boosts your basic attacks, so it's more of in case you need to charge or make an OA or something. Your implement attacks will still have a lower attack bonus, but since they hit NADs they'll still be accurate.
>> No. 4924 edit
>>4923
Oh. I guess it's not so bad then if I forgo melee training because 95% of the time I'll be using my at-wills etc anyway.
>> No. 4931 edit
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>treasure just sitting there
Totally not suspicious.
>> No. 4932 edit
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>>4931
Well, it is a hidden room.
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>A monocle made from a polished diamond
lens in a gold frame, with hooked and pierced side-handle, but without a ribbon or cord (1000 gp art object)
That probably goes to Sureiya.
>> No. 4944 edit
>>4943
what I wanted that
>> No. 4945 edit
>>4944
Too late, I need it. I only have two Sunrods and an At-Will Light spell, clearly I need an everburning candle too.
>> No. 4948 edit
>>4947
You can always grab it or come up with a quick solution in the meantime
>> No. 4949 edit
darn your edits bern
>> No. 4950 edit
Even if I desire that monocle to no end, the amulet could also help me plenty, specially since I already used the power of my robe.
The problem is that thing is like 1800gp worth, can i take that and you get all the other good stuff?
>> No. 4951 edit
>>4950
It's fine for anyone to wear it, right. We can divide up the loot more evenly after we're done with the tower, but until then, we should utilize our combat resources etc.

Steadfast Amulet +2 is 3400 gp btw.
>> No. 4952 edit
>>4951
>3400gp
that's like my whole fortune in a single amulet!
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>>http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/16264285#16264715

>You do realize that the sometimes the At-Will/Encounter/Daily paradigm is a narrative mechanic, not a simulation?

>How often does Conan pull an awesome move in a fight? As often as the story requires. The powers mechanic just gives the player a bit of control of the story by deciding when his fighter gets to pull his cool move.

My mind has been blown.
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>>4966
ofc I already knew this.
>> No. 4988 edit
anon mess it up 2: the revenge
>> No. 4991 edit
Quick, make a stealth check.
>> No. 4996 edit
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Silly Anchan, my aura is 11.
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FYI, Sureiya's perception of the enemies in the room is based on his PASSIVE perception, as he was only able to see into the hallway when he first made a Perception check (and was too far from the enemies to realistically hear them at the time).
>> No. 5008 edit
whr bern
>> No. 5010 edit
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Move to... F-10? Isn't that way too far?
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>>5010
Now that I look again, it is kind of far, isn't it.
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>>5011
Well, all right, now I'd be asking for an attack but it seems like InvisibleCastle is not working. You attack the creature at F-10 at the start of its turn. I'll wait a little while and see if it works, but if it's more than a few hours I'll see what I can do otherwise.
>> No. 5013 edit
Somebody please use a daily power when you can see a target. It'd be nice to take control of the fight from the get-go.
>> No. 5014 edit
>>5013
People still have dailies left?
>> No. 5015 edit
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I could go ahead and advance and roll via DiceTool, but we'd just hit a brick wall again as soon as Jyoji had to take his turn. I'll hold off as long as I can for IC, but if I have to go somewhere I'll make a post before I do making a roll for Bern's OA with Dicetool.

Then if IC STILL isn't working when I get home tonight, I'll have to look into alternative websites, at least temporarily.
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Temporary Dice roller website:

http://www.rpol.net/game.cgi?gi=44310&date=0

If you haven't registered yet, do so and request to join the game. I'll add you.
>> No. 5020 edit
6:47 PM Voyager: Sureiya should see what was attacked
6:48 PM Voyager: blazing starfall illumination, what are we dealing with
6:48 PM troll: I'd give friend my dota2 or diablo 3 invite before I played them
6:48 PM witchin: I was going to sell the tyrael one for big money and use the beta key
6:48 PM troll: probably

6:48 PM Sakutarou: dead things
6:48 PM witchin: then while waiting for the card I got randomly selected for a beta key
6:48 PM Tohsaka: You see one of the same things he saw before
6:48 PM witchin: so that was fine
6:48 PM Hide: dota 2 i am on the fence about

6:48 PM Voyager: what about the other thing
6:48 PM troll: it looks fine
6:48 PM Tohsaka: And another thing that looks almost exactly like the ghasts you fought in the fell cavern
6:48 PM Voyager: what
6:48 PM Tohsaka: because it is the same thing
>> No. 5021 edit
Invisible castle is back up
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>>5021
I'm still getting an "unhandled exception" whenever I try to log in, though.
>> No. 5023 edit
so uh, what do etc. Move to beside George and then cast Light or something?
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>>5023

Cast Light on the everburning candle and throw it to the center of the room, that should provide enough illumination to see everything.
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>>5023
Summon flaming sphere near some of them. We need some hard control asap.
>> No. 5026 edit
I summoned that the previous encounter, have no dailies left.
>> No. 5027 edit
>>5026
Oh, right.

If you can get line of sight to any of them you could use Color Orb for massive damage, but for now maybe grasping shadows will work to keep some of them out of the fight for a while.
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You guys fought the ghasts before, so I'll remind you a bit of their capabilities.

Their basic attack is pretty basic, deals some damage and immobilizes (save ends). Against immobilized enemies, they can either use an at-will power which deals damage similar to their basic attack but hits twice, or an encounter power that deals hefty damage and recharges when it misses.

They have an aura that slows you until the end of their next turn if you begin your turn in the aura. They also explode when they die, dealing some necrotic damage and ongoing necrotic damage in a close burst 2.
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>>5028
We are a lot stronger now, but I still don't like them.
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Lili, it'd be best if you go ahead and made a RPOL account and request to join my campaign, just in case IC keeps giving us issues. That way I can go ahead and approve it while I'm actually around.
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Finally, an encounter where my aura will be as potent as it should be.
>> No. 5032 edit
>>5031
Thats until they focus fire you with the encounter power and you horribly die
>> No. 5034 edit
>>5032
You have that guardian power, riiiight? You can step in and save me.
>> No. 5035 edit
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>>5034
If the situation is bad enough I will use it, although the Guardian code talks about protecting the weak, not sure if that's a problem for you~
>> No. 5036 edit
>>5035
You have disrupting strike too, you know.
>> No. 5037 edit
>>5036
The only problem is, if the encounter power fails because of disruptive, it stills recovers it?
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>>5037
Well it does, but you can always kill it before it uses it again.
>> No. 5039 edit
>>5038
Yeah, I was thinking about that.
>> No. 5040 edit
I assume I can't just take 10 on an Athletics check to jump?
>> No. 5041 edit
>>5040
You could just use Fey Step, right?
>> No. 5042 edit
>>5041
I'd need to teleport 6, I only have 5.
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>>5040
That is correct.
>> No. 5044 edit
>IC 404 not found
Argh. Do I really have to sign up to yet another place?
>> No. 5045 edit
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>>5044
Unless you can provide me with a better dice-rolling site that provides detailed logs of rolls and tracks them all by tags.
>> No. 5053 edit
What do
>> No. 5058 edit
horribly murder
>> No. 5059 edit
>>5058
get in strem omg
>> No. 5060 edit
anon, your orders:

Move to H-9, quarry the Adept, and ready an action (twin strike) in response to me casting Scorching Sands.
>> No. 5073 edit
Hide, could you move to J-8? It'd make for a great catch-22 against our assailants after I sanction them.
>> No. 5074 edit
DC 15 + half the zone's level and a 29 doesn't do much? omg
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>>5074
You successfully identified it and pretty much everything it does, what it's called and how it works. I don't know what else you were expecting.
>> No. 5076 edit
>>5074
Actually, I think your "passive arcana" was enough to identify it
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>mfw there's a pixie race upcoming
>> No. 5121 edit
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>Mordenkainen's Magical Emporium
Jeez, some of the stuff here is ridiculous. Not overpowered ridiculous, just silly.
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>>5121
>Hammer of Titans
>Encounter/No Action, +10 bonus to damage
Holy--!
>> No. 5123 edit
>>5122
that's for a single attack, right?
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>>5123
It is! Still powerful.

There's also Ioun Stones that give +5 damage to all attacks, as long as it derives from the same stat it gives a bonus to.
>> No. 5125 edit
>>5124
>natural 20 on insight
bern is gonna like that, anyways from where are you reading all of this?
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>>5125
Mordenkainen's Magical Emporium! There's some silly stuff here, like a shirt that gives +1 AC if you wear cloth or no armour. A bunch of magic items that are sentient, some artifacts and curses, a number of lulzy items that let you commit suicide with a bow and arrow, and so forth.
>> No. 5128 edit
>crits sureiya
how I am even on the burst area? theres a goddamn wall and floor between us
>> No. 5129 edit
>>5128
Explodes through the wall obviously.
>> No. 5130 edit
>Still immobilised
Hmm. Colour Orb on nearby Ghast? We need to avoid killing until we're safely away from explosion etc.

I can also try Winged Horde, but 1d6+2 means I'd need a 4 to kill it. Might as well let Myn kill it with Direct the Strike or something, etc.
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>>5130
The automated crossbow turrets are objects; they can't be affected by attacks vs. Will because they don't even have a Will defense.
>> No. 5132 edit
>The half-orc and the half-orc both feel the necrotic attack continuing to sap their respective life-forces
So myn is also master race? didn't notice until today
Anyways is your bonus just +2? in any case color orb sounds good
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>>5131
In other words I can't attack the turrets. Gotcha.

>>5132
Because WotC nerfed Winged Horde. It was too good.

Rin-tan does the Ghoul in the corridor have concealment to me.
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>>5133
Cover, but only if the attack is from your origin. An attack liked Winged Horde uses the targeted square as its origin.
>> No. 5136 edit
>mfw I realise you can Hybrid Blackguard/Paladin
>> No. 5137 edit
>>5136
oh wait you can't
Good.
But the Essentials are available hybrid class options must explore etc.
>> No. 5138 edit
Give me the mordenkaisen pdf etc
>> No. 5139 edit
>>5138
also, what am i supposed to do
>> No. 5140 edit
>>5139
Throw sword at turret?
>> No. 5141 edit
It's fine as long as the turret is destroyed somehow.

Incidentally, did Myn roll a saving throw at the end of his turn?
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>> No. 5148 edit
I'll go move next turn etc. Want to Colour Orb the Ghast when I get a clear shot.
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By the way, I was checking, and I don't think the swordmage aegis can reduce the damage dealt to a spirit (it specifies reduce the damage done to ONE CREATURE, and the spirit is not a creature).
>> No. 5156 edit
>>5155
clearly torinn should mark it then for grorious radiant damages etc but we need that smelly turret ded firzt
>> No. 5157 edit
after the turret dies everyone should delay until i can get out of explosion range, k
>> No. 5160 edit
myn + michael delay until after me etc so I can get out of explosion reenji
>> No. 5167 edit
Myn: spend 1*, heal for 12+10=22, 45/49 HP, 2 surges left.
Michael: spend 0, heal for 0+10=10, 45/45 HP (4 overhealing), 3 surges left.
Bernkastel: spend 1, heal for 9+10=19, 38/38 HP (5 overhealing, 1 healing infusion), 1 surge left.
Torinn: spend 0*, heal for 0+10=10, 51/52 HP, 3 surges left.
Sureiya: spend 2, heal for 24+10=34, 47/50 HP (1 healing infusion), 2 surges left.
Sariel: spend 1, heal for 11+10=21, 42/46 HP (1 healing infusion), 2 surges left.

*Torinn uses the second wind thing on Myn, effectively giving him a surge to spend.
>> No. 5179 edit
Actually, the battle standard was already planted, so ignore that. We agreed in streamchat earlier while I was at work.
>> No. 5180 edit
>>5167
so i use an infusion??


also jeez post it in the thread i can't keep upp with what is said in stream
>> No. 5181 edit
>>5180
Sure, go ahead.
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Remember that using a healing infusion will NOT count as spending a surge for triggering the battle standard of healing.
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>>5186
>heroic epics and poetry
Torinn has found reading material!
>> No. 5192 edit
>>5184
>>5186

wat ;_;

Change in plans. Myn spends his second wind now.

Myn: spend 2*, heal for 24+6=30, 49/49 HP (4 overhealing), 1 surge left.
Michael: spend 0, heal for 0+6=6, 45/45 HP, 3 surges left.
Bernkastel: spend 1, heal for 9+6=15, 38/38 HP (1 overhealing, 1 healing infusion), 1 surge left.
Torinn: spend 0**, heal for 0+6=6, 47/52 HP, 3 surges left.
Sureiya: spend 2, heal for 24+6=30, 43/50 HP (1 healing infusion), 2 surges left.
Sariel: spend 1, heal for 11+6=17, 38/46 HP (1 healing infusion), 2 surges left.

*Myn uses his second wind.
**Torinn uses the second wind thing on Myn, effectively giving him a surge to spend.
>> No. 5195 edit
someone should check corpses
>> No. 5196 edit
It strikes me that Lina is more of a Hexblade than a Swordmage/Wizard. Consider: in the Slayers universe, some spells draw from the Demon Lords. In particular, Dragon Slave draws from Ruby-Eye Shabranigdu.

The Pact Blade can be the Ragnablade, which again is drawn from a force other than Lina herself.
>> No. 5197 edit
>>5195
nothing of note on zombies confirmed in-chat etc
>> No. 5198 edit
>>5197
skrew ure chat
>> No. 5200 edit
>>5196
omg nerd
>> No. 5201 edit
>>5200
ure nerd
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>>5196
Huh, you have a point there.
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>>5202

Dragon Slave is, of course, Eldritch Blast.
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>>5202
Clearly I should re-roll Warlock/Wizard hybrid.
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>>5204
Hell'lock Pyromancer ftw.
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>>5203
Eldritch Blast isn't an AoE.
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>>5206
I don't feel like re-rolling though so Sariel stays as she is. Worst case I can pump Cha and MC into it but that seems a waste, especially given I'd punish myself for the sake of flavour!
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>>5207

It can't be helped, you just need to cast it again for every other square you want to hit.
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>>5209
Then it's not a true Dragon Slave. I think the 10d10 wizard power from that one paragon path might fit better, except it hurts the user significantly as well, which Dragon Slave did not.
>> No. 5212 edit
>>5205
I realize. It could really either be Myn or Sariel spending the surge. I thought it'd be unlikely for him to second wind during combat, and Sariel herself can reduce damage on anyone but herself.

I think this should be up to them actually so post opinions nerds.
>> No. 5214 edit
>>5212
ure the nerds
>> No. 5217 edit
>>5215
omg dats not fare

Myn: spend 1*, heal for 12+6=30, 41/49 HP, 2 surges left.
Michael: spend 0, heal for 0+6=6, 45/45 HP, 3 surges left.
Bernkastel: spend 1, heal for 9+6=15, 38/38 HP (1 overhealing, 1 healing infusion), 1 surge left.
Torinn: spend 0*, heal for 0+6=6, 47/52 HP, 3 surges left.
Sureiya: spend 2, heal for 24+6=30, 43/50 HP (1 healing infusion), 2 surges left.
Sariel: spend 2, heal for 22+6=17, 46/46 HP (3 overhealing, 1 healing infusion), 1 surge left.

*Torinn uses the second wind thing on Myn, effectively giving him a surge to spend.
>> No. 5220 edit
omg why ignore my rolls at least the arcana roll should be legit
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>>5220
I'm not ignoring. I was about to step out and didn't have time for a more lengthy reply.
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>>5223
...Okay, I'm gonna give you guys a bit of time to choose your positions, status, and weapons/etc in regards to that.
>> No. 5253 edit
http://tinyurl.com/3b3qyuh

Proposed Sariel level 6.
> Drop Flaming Sphere
> Gain Sleep
> Acquire Fire Shield to punish enemies attacking me for fun with Marks

I intend to later retrain Fire Shield to Fate-Spurned for a -2 penalty to Saves to work together with Sleep. Knocking things unconscious should be good right.

I'm still looking at Phantom Chasm for end of encounter zone that prones enemies that enter it and all the control it brings, but if we can stack save penalties, Sleep is clearly superior for knocking things Unconscious.
>> No. 5254 edit
>>5253
Also I bet he has a breath attack prepared that can't pierce through the magic barrier.
>> No. 5255 edit
>>5253
We can't stack save penalties as is. At best you could use a Cunning Weapon to deliver it.
>> No. 5256 edit
also by paragon I want a Githyanki Silver Sword so all my attacks are Psychic. Lots of fun with Psychic Lock.

To note for this encounter:
Channeling Shield reduces damage by 7 and I get a +2 to my next damage roll before end of next turn.
Dimensional Vortex whisks a melee away from allies, and the enemy gets a +2 to damage roll against its ally (best used against a Minion to attack the Acolyte, but I can see it used to deny the Acolyte its damage on us)
My armour has an Immediate Interrupt, +8 VS Fortitude that strikes with Lightning and Dazes... but only if I'm targeted for an attack.
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>>5254
Which is why dazing it is so important : it can't use that readied action if it's dszed.
>> No. 5258 edit
>>5257
Unfortunately I go Forever Last, so I can't toss my Colour Orb in its face to Daze it.

I don't know the feat requirements for Enlarge Spell for Winged Horde being a burst 2 for glorious minion-slaying, OA denial and Psychic Locking.

It's a shame my armour's a Cloth, or I could've lended it to one of you guys for glorious reaction.
>> No. 5259 edit
I have no idea what George's level 5 daily is.

I think Hideiling already used Stand the Fallen, how about Bastion of Defence? If he hasn't used that yet he should totes use it to buff our defences. We also gain hit points.

Bern should summon her Goats and holy crud does that mean you can let George attack three times on your turn if you spend a Standard, Move and Minor as a Minor to permit attacks? Whoahhhh.

So roll-call, who still have dailies and what do they do so we can try to avoid me using Gentle Repose for you guys.
>> No. 5260 edit
>>5259
George's level 5 daily was that black zone of darkness from first encounter.

Hide used all his dailies.

You only get one free action attack per turn.
>> No. 5261 edit
>>5260
Bummer. Well Bern can still grant it to others but I don't see anyone outdamaging George easily with a basic attack. If George just moves between the goats (he wants to move anyway for Shadow Walk) he can get one extra attack from Bern every round. We can drop him in five rounds right.
>> No. 5262 edit
>>5261
Or we could grant them to other people as well for their static benefits until it's time to use them up.
>> No. 5263 edit
>>5262
Do they even stack for a +4 bonus to attack and +8 bonus to damage?
>> No. 5264 edit
>>5263
A power cannot stack with itself, if I recall correctly, so no.
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Riiiiiin! Something's off about the math here!
>> No. 5266 edit
OK, so Attarou didn't mark the Dracolich. I can mark it, but that'd require I either use an Action Point to gain an extra Move action, or I Charge it and then I won't be using Grasping Shadows, Colour Orb or anything else.

I can also Action Point to charge while using Grasping Shadows etc, but you probably understand when I say I want to mark it and then get out.
>> No. 5267 edit
Also the minion presently outside of the barrier should be an easy and lasting kill unless Rin bastard DM and she lets the dragon's magic reach outside the barrier.
>> No. 5268 edit
>>5266
It's "marked" by my aura right now. If it attacks somebody else or shifts it'll take 11 damage, and it takes a -2 penalty to attack rolls against targets besides me.
>> No. 5269 edit
>>5268
>>5266
The dragon readied an action, probably dragon weapon, and its waiting for a third enemy to be on the blast. You should daze it before getting near of the dragon.
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>>5265
The elite isn't included in the encounter budget because unless you do something very stupid it's going to leave.
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>>5270
Ah, so it's similar to the one I'm running. Okay then.

Incidentally, I was thinking about your offer, and I believe that the cavalier's ability to control the space around him to some extent is far too valuable to give up, despite all the perks paladins get. It's simply because we don't have very many ways to control positioning of ourselves or enemies or discourage their movement. And punishing on a shift isn't something the paladin can normally do. Really, the biggest issues I can think of with the cavalier right now are that it's more reactive than proactive as a defender (cleans up the mess by taking a hit or healing the ally that got hit, other than Strike of Hope) and Righteous Radiance being fairly weak and near impossible to enhance. If I could find a way to address both I'd probably be content.
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>>5271
For goodness's sake, you still haven't updated? We'd like to finish up the encounter, you know.
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>>5258
By the way, the requirement for Enlarge spell is Wis 13.
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>>5272
Have I mentioned lately my fascination with clerics?
>> No. 5275 edit
>background benefits
Am I the only one who chooses background based on flavour and not on the benefits they give?
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>>5260
Incidentally, George used his level 1 daily against the first dragon. The only dailies I'm aware you have going into this encounter are Torinn's chilling smite and Bernkastel's spirits.
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>>5275
Not at all, my Invoker has the East Rift background because that's a dwarf locale. I certainly didn't take it for Deep Speech and +2 Dungeoneering. If I was looking for mechanical benefits, I could've chosen the one that lets me use my Wisdom for HP, or the one that gives Resist Fire.
>> No. 5279 edit
>>5273
Oh, good, so I qualify for that come level 11.
>> No. 5280 edit
>>5275
Well anon poor, so it make sense for Sureiya to be poor right?
Anyways, I did it backward. I used my background city to write my background.
>> No. 5281 edit
>>5275
I picked almost everything for flavor at the start.
>> No. 5282 edit
>>5281
OK.

Well going out for the night, see you guys tomorrow!
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>>5281
You just HAD to put off updating until Lili left.
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>>5283
>> No. 5285 edit
>>5284
sad rins etc
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>>5271
And suddenly I realize you can kill two birds with one stone if RR could be used for repositioning somebody.
>> No. 5287 edit
>>5283
>>5284
I was joek geez.
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>>5287
Hard to tell at times, but it's not as if I'm actually upset~
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By the way, Torinn can feel the effects of the aura. It seems to be a -2 penalty to saving throws.
>> No. 5290 edit
>>5289
inb4 myn dominated
>> No. 5291 edit
isnt the purple guy actually running away?
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>> No. 5299 edit
Help I'm being menaced.
>> No. 5303 edit
>>5299
Then lrn to hit things.
>> No. 5304 edit
>everyone missing
welcome to my world etc
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You have done well, anon-kun.
>> No. 5306 edit
>>5305
what did I do?
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So should I bother marking the Dragon, or does Attarou want him? If I mark him, it means I'd need to charge the dragon and put myself in harm's way; otherwise, I'm going to charge a minion and hit the dracolich with Winged Lolde.
>> No. 5308 edit
>>5307
My mark's gonna deal a bit more damage than normal, even if it shifts, but yours will further reduce its damage. It's a tough call.
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Wait no, I don't even need to charge him. If I charge a minion that puts me close enough that I can walk up to him and mark from 2 distance. I can even flank him if you want that instead.
>> No. 5310 edit
>>5309
but charging make your turn ends
>> No. 5311 edit
>>5310
no aboos then huh, so I can't mark dragon unless i use standards or ap to move
>> No. 5312 edit
>>5311
Pretty much.
>> No. 5313 edit
Well your aura makes it so it has a -2 to attacking anyone not you anyway right. So it's fine, tabun. Unless it's super important ofc.
>> No. 5314 edit
I'm probably tossing that guy a Colour Orb to daze unless other plans then.
>> No. 5315 edit
>>5314
Sounds good.
>> No. 5326 edit
So what did we decide for Hidei.
>> No. 5327 edit
>In “Temple of the Weeping Goddess,” a group of gifted orphans are sent by their mad caretaker to a ruined temple in the Elemental Chaos. They are tasked with rescuing the long-lost aspect of the goddess Avandra, who decades ago destroyed the temple. Freeing her from her self-made prison is going to be the fledging adventurers’ first test as heroes.

>Sending children to rescue an aspect of a goddess
Geez.
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The dracolich crits Torinn with its claw. Want to try and teleport it, Lili?
>> No. 5330 edit
Yes. OH GOD YES do I want to try that because Channeling Shield is NICE, but a CRIT is terrible.

As a player and not the DM, would you recommend teleporting him to drop one of his own allies?
>> No. 5331 edit
The obvious danger to the above being that he'll be closer to the party.
>> No. 5332 edit
Wait, intuitive strike and not MBA?
>> No. 5333 edit
>>5332
I thought intuitive strike would hit and last night it didnt show it as having temp HP for me, so wtf
>> No. 5334 edit
anyway, rin let me roll for mba damage just now, rolled 10 damage total, halve to 5, so it doesnt die anyway. Making me attack it was a bad idea from the start, because I would have had to get a 7 or higher on my roll just to kill it on a 1d8 damage dice.
>> No. 5335 edit
>>5333
Were you looking at another minion? That one's had tHP for a few updates.

>>5334
When it's a save ends effect hindering your attack, a Ready Action can usually bypass the problem.
>> No. 5336 edit
>>5333
>>5334
You got 10 damage in Rin's roll anyway.

So Bern/Hidei, should I teleport it to a minion to drop it, or teleport it AWAY from the party if I hit?
>> No. 5337 edit
>>5335
see post >>5334
>> No. 5338 edit
>>5336
No, it was only 8 damage rounded down to 4 in rins original post.
>> No. 5339 edit
>>5336
Teleport it to hit a minion, keep it near the party so we can jump on it asap and kill it.
>> No. 5340 edit
>>5337
edited etc
>>5335
>> No. 5341 edit
>>5340
I realize this, but it's dumb and abusive
>> No. 5342 edit
>>5341
and it should have been brought up last night
>> No. 5343 edit
Readying actions is hardly abusive though.
>> No. 5344 edit
Readying actions to consistently bypass an effect or save ends effects sort of is
>> No. 5345 edit
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3196388/

>3
Yeah, this diceroller hates me fiercely. I guess it doesn't matter, the Dragon's doing fierce things.
>> No. 5347 edit
>>5344
It only means save ends effects are generally bad and inconsistent.

>>5345
At this rate we'll never get to attacking the dragon.
>> No. 5348 edit
>>5345
dont you or anyone else have some sort of reroll thing we could use
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>>5347
Sure, just ignore the dragon as it rampages through your ranks and breaths on all of you.

All right, I need to roll for Torinn's save against the Effect: Slide 2 squares. part of Claw. If the save fails, it's going to slide Torinn towards you all, in good position for breathing. Good thing it's still got 2 action points.
>> No. 5350 edit
>>5349
The one near Myn should have died like a round ago, if it hadn't been for these accursed rolls.
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>>5350
Well, we'll just have to see how much good Myn's darkspiral aura does him while he's weakened then.
>> No. 5352 edit
>>5351
Ideally, the breath hits him so he can save against it and use ready action. Can the dragon breath every round?
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>>5352
Only if it keeps recharging it.
>> No. 5354 edit
In the end, it's luck getting in our way etc. I can't predict an at-will slide 2 as an effect; we'd have needed the nature check result.

Never mind setting up a high-damage round, that's been ruined by this point. We should be attacking the dragon unless next to a minion and marked. http://www.seacats.net/limbo/src/131666335985.png
>> No. 5355 edit
obligatory mention of back-up characters etc.

also if Hidei rolls something different after this and Michael dies in this or after this encounter in a heroic display of awesome, calling dibs to his reagents.
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>>5354
It only figures that after having so many easy dragon battles you wouldn't take this one seriously either~

But yes, it is unwise to ignore a well-built solo unless you have it securely disabled.
>> No. 5358 edit
>Mark of Scribing
>Ritual Caster, except with extra bonuses
Too bad Mark feats aren't allowed, right.
>> No. 5359 edit
>>5357
To be fair we have no dailies and 2 surges average among the party. Is it so crazy we'd think this wouldn't be too difficult?
>> No. 5360 edit
>>5357
We havent really had much luck or a choice at this point though. Minions that revive and mark you every turn, a dragon which makes your attacks do half damage, etc etc, combined with bad dice rolls and low surges.
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>>5359
I reduced its power several times. I cut the damage of reanimating shadows nearly in half, reduced its area of effect and range, and removed the free bite it got if it missed with claw twice. I considered making its aura auto-damage creatures that ended within, but decided against it. Reanimating shadows also used to grant the minions 10 temporary hit points and let them stand as a free action. The minions also used to have defender aura rather than a mark, which would have let them keep you under their punishment at least twice now where you were able to ignore it.

You are fighting a watered-down version of my original concept. Bad rolls (luck) combined with underestimating the power of a solo are screwing you over here.
>> No. 5362 edit
>>5357
>not taking it seriously
What are you talking about, we used three attacks attempting to daze the dragon. If we haven't spammed action points/dailies its because our resources are quite limited and we were trying to start a nova turn, unfortunatelly we had no luck with that.
>> No. 5363 edit
>>5361
Oh right Bern has a daily. Bern daily where.

>free bite if it misses with Claw twice
>implying it can miss
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>>5362
Eh? Granted, the first two holy smites were just plain bad luck, but there were other options. Those at least still did damage to the dragon.
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>>5363
Well, it did miss Torinn with claw. Its breath attack is +12 vs. Fortitude, though... most of you don't have high Fortitude. (At least one of you it can hit on a natural 2, with no other penalties in effect).
>> No. 5366 edit
So, if I make it to my next turn, my turn will entail granting two allies a 2 square shift (and bonus defenses on top) with noble presence (sacrificing my movement), an inspiring word on someone (most likely torinn or someone else), and using a second wind on myself (for bonus defenses and some healing needed). Granted, I won't be doing much this turn besides healing, but it will be granting people health and bonus defenses to make us last enough until a nice nova round or something.
>> No. 5367 edit
>>5365
shame etc, if I have to waste a feat on Ritual Caster I want to get the most out of it etc
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>>5367
You know, there's a bard multiclass feat that gives you Ritual Caster. So if you were planning on a bard MC like I heard you talking about before...
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>>5364
I guess I had forgotten about the holy smites. If one of those had hit, the battle would have changed a lot.
>> No. 5370 edit
>>5368
Divine Invoker Ritualist with 13 Wis. It was either 13 Wis or 13 Cha, remember.
>> No. 5371 edit
>>5370
unless you'd let me swap my wis and cha scores but even then it isn't until I hit Paragon.

If I take Bardic Ritualist I can retrain Arcana to Intimidate to be more Lina Inverse-y.
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>>5370
>>5371
Oh, right, forgot you had changed your ability scores with the hybrid change.
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>>5372
Yup. Otherwise it would've been a sweet deal, Bardic Ritualist offers free ritual use and two free rituals.
>> No. 5374 edit
wat do
>> No. 5375 edit
>>5372
it's okay etc, worst case we escape. Adventurers can't always succeed at what they set out to do etc.
>> No. 5376 edit
>>5372
We probably can manage to finish this encounter without any down. But if next encouter is purple guy + stuff it could mean Myn death.
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>>5376
And here I was thinking after this dungeon was over I'd start using new rest rules.

Well, there ARE ways to get the dragon to use a melee attack against Myn, which would allow him to use his aura against the dragon...
>> No. 5378 edit
quick george provoke an oa
>> No. 5379 edit
>>5378
from the dragon, not from the servants
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>>5378
Since triggering the aura requires an Immediate Action, actually triggering on OA on his own turn would be unwise.
>> No. 5381 edit
geez i was joke
>> No. 5382 edit
>crit from monsters again
>it saved against effect
>weakened again
>bloodied already
>all the dazes missed
>324 HP with damage reduction
>forced movement on every claw attack
>now my radiant damage and horse are effectively
worthless
>more dragon breath
>righteous shield would probably get me killed
>people bloodied already
and just like that i've lost all faith in cavalier as a playable class
>> No. 5383 edit
>>5382
Why would your radiant damage be useless now?
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>>5382
I should note that the only reason the dragon is at -53 HP right now is because you attacked it. If you hadn't attacked it, it'd be at full health now. I think that says something for the effectiveness of radiant damage. And if you count up the amount of damage your chilling smite prevented, it's probably a very nice number. On the breath attack alone it prevented 25.

Also, what makes you think the dragon has damage resistance? It resists necrotic, but that doesn't seem relevant. The only reason anyone's attacks against it were reduced was because you were weakened when it happened.
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>>5384
Actually, nevermind, looks like it never took reduced damage when it wasn't supposed to.
>> No. 5386 edit
Because it was a big deal that I could actually make a significant contribution to the damage. That I was really scary and all that. And now my damage has been cut in half, that's gone, and so's the scary damage on RR, making it even more useless than usual.
>> No. 5387 edit
...Well I still couldn't daze it and don't have a second daily, which would certainly be the awesome Radiant Delerium.
>> No. 5388 edit
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>>5387
Forced movement negatively affects more than just the cavalier. The fighter is nearly as badly affected, as he cannot enforce his marks from range, and the brawler for example has his grabs broken by forced movement. My houserule was to at least let defender aura function as well as a mark in regards to forced movement, though it's true that paladins and swordmages can still enforce their mark at a distance (to some extent, so can battleminds and wardens, though the distance is short), but at the very least the cavalier still has access to sanction in some fashion. Anyone who missed with their two encounter powers would be in a similar situation, though most encounter powers don't damage on a miss, so you have that at least. Yes, if you had made it this far with both dailies (and therefore didn't use one earlier), you could use another, but I don't think it's a huge deal.

And yes, a lot of classes are affected by a weakened condition equally. It's not just your burden to keep the dragon under control, the other party members are supposed to help you with that.
>> No. 5389 edit
>both dailies
Huh? I only have Chilling Smite, or are you counting Call celestial Steed (which was only used twice because lolstairs) as a 'daily'? Or that surgeless heal?
>> No. 5390 edit
>>5389
She means if you were a regular Paladin, and if you'd made it this far without using any dailies.
>> No. 5391 edit
Oh, I see.
>> No. 5392 edit
>>5391
Essentials are light on powers either way you slice it. It's to make it easier to step into, I think.
>> No. 5393 edit
could I use my blade's power to swap places with Hide
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>>5393
You can, yes.
>> No. 5395 edit
okay, if I do that, dragon grants me combat advantage and can be inspiring belligerence'd. If I get a shift from Hide or bern away ftom enemies, I can go around left side and get behind dragon, setting it up for a flank. Sariel and Sureiya attack from right, Michael attacks from south, and bern and myn can scatter around elsewhere and attack with impunity. Sound good?
>> No. 5396 edit
>>5395
Using inspired belligerence right now is bad. Most of us are weakened, and I'd like to set up a nice round of intuitive, warlord, and inspired belligerence after we heal up a bit, because if we use it now, most likely if the dragon recharges, and it is going to waste on weakened damage dealers. The only one available right now is Sureiya who is heading into the fray next turn anyway. Don't use it yet.
>> No. 5397 edit
not only that, if Lili manages to daze the dragon this turn like she says anyway, you won't have to waste it exactly. We're in streamchat discussing this.
>> No. 5398 edit
>>5397
Any strategy that counts on me hitting is a terrible strategy. Assume Sariel misses with her attack.
>> No. 5399 edit
>>5398
Well, his sword's power won't even let me use inspired belligerence anyway so it's a waste even then.
>> No. 5400 edit
>>5399
Yeah we need Bern to find some way to turn this fight around. The enemy's got the advantage over us completely.

Do we ignore minions or kill them? Do we focus fire on Dragon immediately? Do we flank or assume he has some anti-flanking move?
>> No. 5402 edit
http://tinyurl.com/linainverse

Updated Sariel sheet etc.
>> No. 5411 edit
Why was bern looking for me? The plan changed?
The idea was:
Move to H-16
Quarry the evil dragon
And charge, ending movement in K-14
>> No. 5412 edit
>>5411
I dunt remember but you should wait to be safe
>> No. 5413 edit
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>>5411
I'm pretty sure that's correct, so you get the spirit bonus. Anyway, Bern was just looking for you so that you would take your turn. I believe the plan remains the same.
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Again, temporary fix for while IC is having issues: http://www.rpol.net/usermodules/diceroller.cgi
>> No. 5446 edit
Considering Polymorphing Longsword into Falchion. Drawback: it's 2-handed, so I lose 2 AC.
Advantage: 2d4 damage dice, better average with Booming Blade and if Myn hits now, Sariel could finish off Kollritza.
RP Benefit: It's a Falchion. It looks wicked.
>> No. 5449 edit
>>5446
If dragon dies, doesn't really matter whether or not it's two-handed since no attack.
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Wait, remember, you get a +4 for CA, not +2.
>> No. 5451 edit
>>5450
So does Myn hit and at what HP is the dragon?
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>>5451
I'm making sure the attack bonus is right, because a +4 will hit but a +2 won't. If it hits, which I'm pretty sure it does, the dragon is at -5 HP.
>> No. 5453 edit
>>5452
Negative five? Aw. Well, I guess it's fine, ne.
>> No. 5454 edit
>>5452
So the dragon reflex was 20
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>>5454
Yeah, it was.
>> No. 5456 edit
>>5455
>Kollirtza
>You've been calling him Kollritza
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>>5456
Same thing.
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Yatta.
>> No. 5462 edit
That's two dragon heads from one adventure. Pretty good rate of collection if you ask me.
>> No. 5464 edit
I think I'll skip the short rest, since I only have one healing surge and I can spend it through second wind.
>> No. 5465 edit
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Animist Shaman surprisingly fun to build.
>> No. 5468 edit
>we have an inspiring word left
omg giev
>> No. 5469 edit
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Interesting, interesting. Apparently Wizards customer service rules that a multiclass cleric who gets the Healer's Lore feature can swap that for Battle Cleric's Lore, which is essentially free proficiency in scale armor and a +2 shield bonus without a shield. That sure makes up for that feature being near useless otherwise and then some.

I couldn't find any RAW contradictions to this either. Thoughts?
>> No. 5470 edit
stop cleric olev, paladin gud
>> No. 5471 edit
>>5470
Yes, yes, yes.
>> No. 5472 edit
>>5471
do you want to roll Cleric instead of Paladin or something
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>>5472
No, just fascinated with it at the moment.
>> No. 5474 edit
>>5473
oh good so i can stay Swordzard.
>> No. 5475 edit
>>5474
Maybe?
>> No. 5476 edit
>>5475
no maybes it'll be okay etc.
>> No. 5480 edit
>Bernkastel and Sureiya notice panel
Sariel's too busy paying attention to fight to notice your silly panels, must scale walls, etc.
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>>5464
Your extra spirits are still gonna disappear.

And actually, I've been thinking, and I think I have a new rule for short rests that will tie up all my concerns nicely~
>> No. 5483 edit
>>5481
This game becomes gradually more difficult as you keep inventing new rules.
>> No. 5484 edit
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>>5483
Bah, I barely have any rules. But I could take away the free/custom feats if you guys think I'm adding too many new rules.
>> No. 5485 edit
stop threat
>> No. 5486 edit
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>>5485
Hehe~ Well, my point in making rules is not to make the game easier or harder, but to uphold the function of the system as I envision it.

The new rules for short rests will ALSO include something for that part of the Player's Guide, by the way. So bonuses for healing, to hopefully avoid you guys coming to your 4th encounter with an average of 2 surges per character again.
>> No. 5487 edit
>>5481
... Right, the five minutes thing. It can't be helped.

Battle standard assumed?
>> No. 5496 edit
Myn:
spend 1,
heal for 12+10=22,
43/49 HP,
surges left: 1,
overhealing: 0

Michael:
spend 1,
heal for 11+10=21,
45/45 HP,
surges left: 2,
overhealing: 7

Bernkastel:
spend 1,
heal for 9+9+10=19,
38/38 HP,
surges left: 0,
overhealing: 4

Torinn:
spend ,
heal for 0+10=10,
52/52 HP,
surges left: 0,
overhealing: 3

Sureiya:
spend 2,
heal for 24+10=34,
49/50 HP,
surges left: 0,
overhealing: 0

Sariel:
spend ,
heal for 0+10=10,
46/46 HP,
surges left: 1,
overhealing: 10
>> No. 5500 edit
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Holy cow, how did I never see this Phiarlan Phantasmist PP before? This is completely, utterly and thoroughly amazing, so why haven't I seen it before--
>requires mark of shadow feat



Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!
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>>5500
Geez, next you'll be wanting Lysandar Wind-Rider. Aren't I allowed some curtailing of power? Go find an Eberron campaign if you want them so much!
>> No. 5503 edit
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>>5501
Awww...
>> No. 5504 edit
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>>5503
Why are you concerned anyway? It's more for Illusionists than anything else, and they have plenty of other good options.
>> No. 5505 edit
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>>5504
Sorry, was building illusionist/enchanter mage and thought that was a really amazing option. Would have taken divine oracle, but already multiclassed bard for ritual caster.
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>>5505
Life Singer (since you have a bard MC), Planeshifter, or even the Enigmatic Mage are good options.

I mean, I would be open to allowing dragonmark PPs, really... they're not OP, but I don't think the dragonmarks themselves fit in FR.
>> No. 5507 edit
>>5506
I guess enigmatic mage isn't too shabby.
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>spiral stairs
Curses!
>> No. 5510 edit
>>5507
>not too shabby
It's amazing ok.
>> No. 5512 edit
So apparently if Sariel wields a Gouge and is proficient with it, it grants its enhancement bonus to Wizard spells.

Clearly she can use a Gouge as an implement right.
>> No. 5513 edit
>hurries after George
>George
>> No. 5514 edit
>>5513
Shut up!
>> No. 5515 edit
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I wanna make sure everyone's on board with ascending before I update.
>> No. 5516 edit
>>5515
k
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>>5516
...I meant via IC posts.
>> No. 5548 edit
http://www.seacats.net/limbo/src/131666345623.png

We should try to drop the caster in close to one round. If planning to melee, winged horde may come in handy.
>> No. 5550 edit
I finally rolled good on Initiative so if Sureiya delays until after Sariel, she can sick some Winged Hordes on him. I have an AP left and all so I can use that this encounter.
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Unfortunately, the high crit from a falchion does not apply. Weapon properties only work when a weapon is being used as a weapon, not when it's used as an implement. Same goes for things like brutal, versatile, etc.
>> No. 5557 edit
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>>5556
Since this bit of the rules might not be easy to find, here it is.
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>With a powerful dragon like Halvangh under our control, we'll be unstoppable!"
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>>5559
Problem?
>> No. 5561 edit
>>5559
how cliche etc
>> No. 5562 edit
>>5560
>>5561
>Halvangh
>> No. 5563 edit
4+2, +1, +2 = 7? I think you forgot 2 damage, my crit die is 2d6.
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>>5563
My bad, forgot you had a +2 weapon. Fixed now.
>> No. 5565 edit
Sou, ne. Kinda makes me wanna cry that I could do 20 damage and did 9.
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May not be able to post until late this evening, so go ahead and post checks without me updating if at all possible. You don't have to respect initiative order too much, as long as we get one post from everyone per round.
>> No. 5578 edit
So what should us useless non nature/arcane/thievery users do
>> No. 5579 edit
you can aid another with heal but uh, that's a hard DC. 'Fraid you're SOL again.
>> No. 5580 edit
Well, the idea was fighting the eladrin would give the fighting-types something useful to be doing before turning over the show to the ritualists, but we all know how that turned out. Sorry about that.
>> No. 5581 edit
New warlock article up. And it's about starlocks again.
>> No. 5582 edit
Mordenkainen items and feat added to char builder, Elven chainshirt where.
>> No. 5583 edit
>>5582
Late heroic, under wonderous items, level 9 I believe.
>> No. 5584 edit
New idea for non-casters: use Diplomacy to try and snap the dragon out of its stupor. Provides aid another benefits to any one check if succesful. Moderate DC.

Feel free to continue to post, I'll update as soon as I can.
>> No. 5585 edit
>>5584
Will it count against us if we fail
>> No. 5586 edit
>>5585
It's count as an Aid Another fail, so a -1 to the next check.

With that said, having a +10 bonus means you are very unlikely to fail a moderate DC of this level.
>> No. 5587 edit
>>5586
>>5586
What's the DC for moderate again
>> No. 5588 edit
DC for 4th-6th level:
Easy: 13
Moderate: 17
Hard: 21
For skillchecks, increase DC by 5. So not sure how much Shmion follows this, but somewhere inbetween 17-22 sounds reasonable.
>> No. 5589 edit
>>5588
I think you're using an obsolete table; the rules compendium has a better one.
>> No. 5590 edit
>>5589
You pretend it's difficult to track down the Rules Compendium.
>> No. 5592 edit
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>>5590
Not sure what you mean by the Giant in the Playground forums part!
>> No. 5596 edit
busy, go on without me if you can etc or roll diplomacy aid for me or w/e
>> No. 5597 edit
>>5596
I think you are the only one who hasn't rolled
>> No. 5598 edit
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>>5597
Bern hasn't rolled either. I want at least one of the two to roll before we continue on.
>> No. 5599 edit
Wait why is the caster dead? Myn's firing non-lethal blows!
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>>5599
Because it's not possible. I ruled that he can't make a 30+ damage eldritch blast non-lethal.
>> No. 5601 edit
>>5600
omg etc.

Need to cast Gentle Repose after this so we can revive him so we can question him.
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>>5601
Ewwwww...
>> No. 5635 edit
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Finally, some character development.
>> No. 5636 edit
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/24994633/Killswitch:_A_We_Win_button_for_your_party.__ArtificerWarlordSpell_CommanderPlaneshaper.?pg
=1

This looks pretty interesting actually.
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What do we know about the Fell King again?
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>>5638
There was something Elayne said that I'm hoping you'll bring up. A rather key detail.

Also, feel free to ask about other things, like Michael is doing.
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>>5640
...That Gallard is the Fell King?
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There, that should have a few juicy bits of information.
>> No. 5646 edit
>Valanor, the dragon slayer
>He is actually a dragon as well
omg plot twist
>> No. 5652 edit
Sariel magic memory etc. Let's see where this takes us.
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>>5652
Let me make sure I got this right before I have a reply.

Are you stealing the dragon's book as soon as it puts it down?
>> No. 5654 edit
>>5653
Sariel was studying her ritual book. She then puts it away. Prblm?
>> No. 5676 edit
omg story time
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Juuuust making sure no one has anything to say. I'll have to leave for class in about an hour-ish, so until I get back will be open time to respond to the big walls of text and etc.
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Attarou, I found this on /tg/. It's a good replacement for Rutger.
>> No. 5691 edit
>>5690
Technically I'm replacing him this level with a celestial tiger, but I'll hang on to that until level 11 when I get a pegasus.
>> No. 5692 edit
>>5690
:|
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>>5690

>x Guts

I think your reading of Berserk has a flaw at a fundamental level.
>> No. 5695 edit
>implying I've read a bit of that trite nonsense
>> No. 5699 edit
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I have built a rogue that has AC equal to that of a paladin in layered plate armor of the same level. I don't know if I should be impressed with myself or disappointed at the paladin.
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>>5699
Eh, there's more to survivability than AC, you know.
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>>5700
But... Plate armor and shield! Plate armor and shield!
>> No. 5706 edit
>>5701
Rogue gets a bonus from Dex due to not wearing heavy armour. The heavy armour and shield compensate for your awful Dex/Int that don't contribute to AC.
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I wonder if Halvangh would recognize the duke.
>> No. 5715 edit
Going to the Palace would probably give us the most information about what happened, however chances are than we could find Valanor in the Flamming fist.
And going to the arcanimous could mean we could leave Halvang working with them, so What do you guys think its better?
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>>5714
Dunno what you're getting at here!

>>5715
For right now, actually, Halvangh is not with you. He's going to stay behind a short time to reset the defenses of his tower (repair his golems, etc), but he'll be along soon. Probably by the time you guys finish your extended rest.
>> No. 5718 edit
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B0Pf2xAWVLoAZTY4NTRiY2YtMmU0NC00MGVjLTlmZjktMTA4MzIwYTcyMjFh&hl=en_GB

Homebrewing is fun~
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>>5718
I notice that Intelligence is one of their primary attributes, but they don't actually have any Intelligence-based skills on their skill list. I would consider changing that.

Based on a quick power overview: blind is much too strong a condition to place on an at-will attack power, so perhaps rewording into something like "you and your allies gain concealment against the target." I'm hesitant about adding a power that is pretty much straight-up better than Winged Horde when Winged Horde is already so good. Perhaps consider changing it to "opportunity attacks" rather than "opportunity actions." There are some minor wording issues here and there, but nothing serious. 10 damage on a zone is awfully high for a level 1 power. Consider making some of the level 1 powers ranged attacks that deal some damage to creatures adjacent to the target when they hit. Scatter, Now might be a good one for that.
>> No. 5724 edit
Is riri leaving us?
>> No. 5725 edit
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>>5724
Have to ask her, I haven't heard anything~
>> No. 5728 edit
>>5724
nop I'm just sticking with Sariel's claimed motivation for going along, tsun etc.
>> No. 5729 edit
omg cb says error loading something about d20 rules etc, do the others have this too?
>> No. 5731 edit
>>5729
Line 156951 starts a <RulesElement (stuff)> tag but forgets to close it with a </RulesElement>. I fixed that and everything worked.
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>MME's Wind Weapon has at-will slide that can be used on allies
That certainly can't be abused come paragon tier.
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>dead soldiers
Fell King is going down so hard he's going to leave a crater.
>> No. 5736 edit
>>5734
To be honest, I could smell the failure of that mission from light years away. Though, if we went there instead of the tower, the more dangerous situation (to me), of a subjugated dragon would maybe be a reality.
>> No. 5737 edit
Soldiers get paid to die.
>> No. 5744 edit
Telling them it's a dragon is probably a bad idea, etc
>> No. 5745 edit
>>5744
I didn't say he was.
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>>5745
Sariel mentioned a dragon, though.
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>>5746
She didn't say which one~
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...I got nothing. The shaman does have a point there.
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>what can you tell us about Halvangh
He's a dragon.
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>more treasure
You can all thank me later~
>> No. 5759 edit
>additional reward
>one extra copper
>> No. 5760 edit
>>5759
You're welcome~
>> No. 5762 edit
>>5754
You're an idiot
>> No. 5763 edit
>>5762
It was the most straight-forward answer I could think of that would answer their questions. I'm not good at lying, okay?
>> No. 5766 edit
I bet Attarou's the kind of poker player who plays with his hand exposed.
>> No. 5767 edit
>>5763
I think though with his reluctance to tell the story of all that went on before all this though, the last thing he wanted was them to know he's a dragon (especially to some Many Arrows Shaman)
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Well, there's something juicy for you all to chew on. I expect a barrage of posting.
>> No. 5770 edit
>>5766
pffft
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>>5769
S, setting yourself up for disappointment so admirably...!
>> No. 5772 edit
>>5771
everyone kinda busy or lazy
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>>5772
You're doing great.
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>"Hmm, never made a Vestige'lock before, let's give that a try."
>"Unconscious and petrification as daily powers? Hey, that's pretty sweet. Too bad for the lack of feat supp-"
>"OH MY GOD THIS PARAGON PATH IS AMAZING"
>> No. 5776 edit
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>Runepriest Level 6
>25 AC (!!)
>20 Fort
>17 Reflex
>20 Will

Lol. But that's using a Heavy Shield... where I want to use a Fullblade. Particularly because Sword'n'Board requires two feats to qualify for Heavy Shield AND a weapon proficiency.
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The worst about Wrathful Hammer Runepriests is that while they are very damaging and have an amazing Paragon Path, they require Str/Con, so it hoses your Will defence and the Str/Con races aren't sugoi.
>> No. 5778 edit
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>>5777
All of those races are awesome, though.
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>>5777
There's a feat that applies your shield bonus to will. You may need to multiclass fighter to get it though.
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>>5779
... you realise Wrathful Hammers WANT to get hit because that means they get their Con mod as bonus damage against that enemy? Defiant Words get Wis mod as bonus damage if they are MISSED, so they're more looking to avoiding damage. And, as I said, I know about the Shield bonus feat Fighters have.

>>5778
They smell and suck. Dwarves are bald and short, and the rest are too tall.
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>>5779
The good thing is that there is a frankly amazing multiclass fighter feat in Battle Awareness. It makes the multiclassing process less painful~
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>>5780
Start looking into defense bonuses from elsewhere then? Check the items or something. Maybe grab Superior Will right away.
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>>5781
If you have the wisdom for it, yes. If you don't have good wisdom, though, then it's not really an option.
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>>5780
Dwarves don't HAVE to be bald. They can have hair! The females, in fact, often do!

>>5782
Can't take Superior Will if your related ability score isn't at least 15, though. Which is hard to accomplish if you're pushing your other stats.
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>>5783
13 Wisdom isn't too hard to get. Easier than the 15 you need for Superior Will, anyway.
>> No. 5786 edit
>>5783
Look. The only Runepriest that doesn't like getting hit is Defiant Word. And Defiant Word is Str/Wis. No problems qualifying, there.

Wrathful Hammer LIKES getting hit because that gives it its bonus, and it's an amazing Striker. Its Paragon Path grants itself an additional attack on an ally's turn.
>> No. 5787 edit
>>5785
>not 18 in that array
Terrible etc.
>> No. 5789 edit
long post is long etc
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>>5787
I meant 16 pre-racial, of course.

>>5789
That's quite all right.
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>>5790
I guess that's fine. 18/18 in two stats post-racial instead of 20/16 doesn't sound too terrible.
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>>5791
Yeah, 16/16/13/11/10/8 pre-racial is pretty much my default array for builds with an important rider ability. It can also be modified to 16/16/12/12/10/8 if you don't need a 13 for a feat.
>> No. 5793 edit
>>5792
I guess maybe 16/16 was a good idea for Sariel, too, given her Shielding requiring Con to work.
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warlords only omg.
>> No. 5795 edit
>>5794
lazylords ne
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>>5793
Trade-offs. It's hard for wizards to qualify for all their feats if they focus on a specific rider.
>> No. 5798 edit
>type all that text
>get that response
welp, that was a waste
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>>5798
Sorry, you will get your questions and concerns answered. Just, um, not by Elayne and Mardoc. I'm not trying to discourage writing here.

Well, here, let me edit in one more thought of Elayne's.
>> No. 5800 edit
Is there any chance of running into Halvangh before he reaches the Arcanimus? Torinn does have some explaining to do.
>> No. 5801 edit
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>>5800
I wasn't really planning on it, but I could arrange something.
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>>5801
I wasn't planning on saying he was a dragon, either.
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>>5802
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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>>5803
Just saying neither of us planned it, that's all.

And that I couldn't come up with a better response to their probing.
>> No. 5808 edit
attarou give me that fixed cb file and tell me where to put it this is driving me nuts
>> No. 5809 edit
>>5808
>>5808
Just delete your custom folder except for wizards.index or w/e in it, that should fix it I think.
>> No. 5810 edit
>>5809
k trying that
>> No. 5811 edit
>>5809
omg hidei you're brilliant it's fixed!
>> No. 5813 edit
Shifter Runepriest, Defiant Word:
23 AC, 22 Fort, 19 Reflex, 23 Will

Glorious.
>> No. 5816 edit
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B0Pf2xAWVLoAMTI0ZDQyYTYtNzg0My00ZjQ1LWIyNGQtYTE5ZjY1YzhhZjAy&hl=en_GB

Level 11 Runepriest, Defiant Word type. This type does Control alongside Leadership.

Highlights:
- Can make an MBA against targets hit by allies once per round at the cost of Rune state for Striker-ish.
- Grants +4 (+2 before level 11) damage in a close burst 10 (5 before level 11) every time it heals.
- Can At-Will Immobilise and grant a +5 bonus to damage against a single target! Can also give a +5 bonus to AC to adjacent ally instead.
- Can At-Will grant +5 damage AND +5 temp HP for whatever ally hits the target, OR -2 to all defences for target and +5 to AC of whatever ally hits the target.
- -5 penalty to Hit on an Encounter attack power.
- (save ends) effect that grants +2 to damage, and another +1 for each HIT against it until it saves. (so if we all Hit in one round it's +8 to damage, Sureiya hitting twice)
- Once per day, +10 to initiative for all allies.
- Once per day, trivialise Skill Challenge by giving everyone the highest score among party members for a check. (So if Bern had +30 Insight, we'd all get +30 Insight)

Glorious.
>> No. 5817 edit
>>5816
Oh, and 29 AC/28 Will/26 Fort/22 Ref means you need to target Reflex to have good odds of landing an attack.

And daily utility lets one person spend a healing surge, two people get healed as though they spent a healing surge AND everyone involved gets a +5 bonus to AC. Glorious.
>> No. 5818 edit
>>5816
Glorious indeed.
>> No. 5819 edit
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To the palace, then?
>> No. 5820 edit
>>5819
Either that or we split up. And I don't think that'd be too good an option.
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Why NOT split up?
>> No. 5822 edit
>>5821
...No idea. For some reason it didn't seem like a good option at the time.
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>>5821
I'd permit it, but you guys need to say if you're going to do that. Otherwise I'll assume you all go to the same location.
>> No. 5827 edit
finally I can go nope.jpg on something

HEADED TO FLAMING FIST, WHO'S WITH ME?
>> No. 5828 edit
in hindsight, my whispering might be just as creepy
>> No. 5832 edit
So anon gets left with the evil characters of the party, etc
>> No. 5833 edit
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Now Myn and Bernkastel really need to post.
>> No. 5836 edit
>>5832
what
>> No. 5837 edit
>>5836
Bern and myn
>> No. 5841 edit
>>5832
>>5837
>implying
>> No. 5842 edit
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Sorcerer-King pact also very good, if you take the feat support to give your boon several effects that trigger at once. +1d8 psychic damage on a curse is also nice.

After this I'm gonna see if Feylocks can be made good as well.
>> No. 5843 edit

>> No. 5844 edit
>>5843
?
>> No. 5850 edit
>he thought it'd be easier if people weren't aware he's a dragon
>mfw we're telling everyone and their dog that he's a dragon

You guys. ;p
>> No. 5851 edit
>>5850
It's okay, we're not there and the paladin probably won't live it down
>> No. 5852 edit
>>5850
The problem is the people at the arcanimus know, so its better if the people at higher rank know but not "everyone" per see.
>> No. 5856 edit
>you-know-what
About dragons?
>> No. 5857 edit
The very same.
>> No. 5860 edit
By the way, it doesn't have to be the Fell King himself, we're just assuming that. It's possible that it could have been a general of his or someone else who thought it to their advantage to attack this unprepared force who just came through a portal to Faerun. (though I will discuss this IC when I have time I suppose)
>> No. 5861 edit
It's possible yes, but from Bigs words he seems to be someone really powerful.
>> No. 5865 edit
I have an idea
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>>5865
That's actually a plausible reason to leave.
>> No. 5867 edit
>>5866
exactly
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>>5867
So you're really going to play a monk, huh? Sounds fun.
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5872
By the way, everyone should start getting their sheets ready for level 6. Better to have it done in advance, so we can get right to adventuring when it comes time.
>> No. 5876 edit
already done etc
>> No. 5877 edit
>>5876
Which is to say, taking Dispel Magic (Emerald Eye is single target where all my anti-Will attacks are Bursts), retrained Flaming Sphere to Phantom Chasm (proning, + zone that prones enemies that enter it which is sugoi useful for defences), and the feat is Unarmoured Agility because need more AC as Defender.

I can take Horrid Whispers instead of Phantom Chasm if someone has World Serpent's Grasp, since Horrid Whispers is guaranteed slow + -2 to attack rolls, which is more controller-ish than just Proning.
>> No. 5878 edit
>>5877
Slow is real nice(plus attack debuffs), but so is a proning zone(except for myn or ranged attacks) I suppose especially with the amount of melee we have.
>> No. 5880 edit
>>5878
This, I know. :P
>> No. 5881 edit
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Party needs more daze imo.

>>5880
reported
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>>5881
More adverse effects in general would be good. Weakening and stunning rank near the top of really nice things to have at this point.
>> No. 5885 edit
>>5884
My monk has Stunning Palm but it's a daily
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>>5885
Stunning as a daily is fair enough at this point.
>> No. 5887 edit
>>5886
Well, it actually gives me a stance which makes me immune to stuns and dazes, which I can choose to give up for the stun (and 5 damage, my dex mod)
>> No. 5888 edit
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>>5887
That's pretty amazing.
>> No. 5889 edit
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=336437

Sheet with what's done so far. Still have to finally decide on a name, fill in the remaining background stuff and fluff and all that good stuff.

The item choices and whatnot are only if rin allows my level 6 item to be changed to money so I can buy what I need. (Since Flowform Armor, my two daggers add up to about 2200 gold, level 6 item is 1800, you get 1k gold for level 5 expected item level or w/e, so I end up with 600 gold left.) I could maybe sacrifice my Ki focus for a neck slot or something too. The Ki focus is mostly for the feat and choice sometimes to use it when I use a power/attack, and the defense bonus daily it gives.
>> No. 5890 edit
>>5889
On second thought, i can always use the remaining gold for a cloak of resistance +1.
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>>5889
>>5890
Are you sure you wanna do magic items like that? You can apply the enhancement bonus of a ki focus on any attack with a mundane weapon. With that in mind, it doesn't seem optimal to me to get both a magic ki focus AND two magic weapons.
>> No. 5892 edit
>>5891
you lost me
>> No. 5893 edit
>>5892
A mundane dagger with a +3 ki focus is treated as a +3 dagger when you attack through the ki focus. Furthermore, if you attack through a ki focus, you can't use the weapon's properties when you attack.
>> No. 5894 edit
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>>5892
Ki foci are somewhat unique in that you can wear your ki focus, and then attack with a weapon, and you can treat the weapon as if it carried the same magical properties as your ki focus. If you have both a magic weapon and a magic ki focus, you can only apply one of the bonuses to a given attack.

In other words, you don't really need both a magic weapon and a magic ki focus. In fact, you can carry around a magic ki focus and a bunch of different kinds of weapons and use them all with the magic ki focus, applying the ki focus's effects through the weapon (this is how an executioner assassin works, btw). And since they can't both apply to the same attack, it's rather inefficient to get magic weapons and a magic ki focus unless you have a specific reason for it.
>> No. 5895 edit
There seems to be an issue with mundane thrown weapons not returning when used through a ki focus. Enchanting the thrown weapon with Magic Weapon +1 probably solves the issue, but if you put something like Distance Weapon on the thrown weapon, the properties don't work when used through a ki focus, etc.

Also, Farbond Spellblade's thrown weapon property doesn't work when used through a ki focus. All RAW of course so there's room for houseruling and etc.
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>>5893
>can't apply the weapon's properties through the attack
This is only partially right. The mundane properties of the weapon (like high crit, brutal, etc.) will apply if it is a weapon attack, like a basic attack or an attack granted from another class. They don't generally apply for monks since monk attacks are implement attacks, unless the monk is using a basic attack.

On the other hand, any magical properties of a magical weapon will not apply if you use it through a ki focus.
>> No. 5897 edit
By the way, there's something in the latest dragon magazine or something about an honor point system, starting out with one and awarding more for good rp or play or something to that effect. I don't have dragon magazine so that's the gist I got. Something about being able to spend them like APs (Though not actually action points? Idk)
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>>5895
I don't see a reason for house-ruling in the case of thrown weapons. Just carry around about 5-10 daggers, they're dirt cheap. Provided you don't go tossing them into pits or acid, you can always pick them up after a battle is over. And use an accurate ki focus instead of an accurate dagger.
>> No. 5899 edit
>>5894
>>5896
Hmm, I guess I COULD drop the subtle enchantment, since +1 damage on combat advantage isn't that big a deal, when I'm gaining about the same amount when enemies are bloodied anyway. HMMMMMMMMM
>> No. 5900 edit
>>5898
Sou, it's not a huge problem. Though whether it stays cheaper than 360 gp remains to be seen.
>> No. 5901 edit
>>5900
>1 gp per dagger
nvm etc
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>>5900
A dagger is 1gp. You'd have to throw 361 daggers before a +1 weapon becomes cheaper.
>> No. 5903 edit
There's a point to be made about having to draw a new dagger after throwing one.
>> No. 5905 edit
Jeez all this Ki focus stuff has got me more confused. Not exactly sure what to choose/go with now.
>> No. 5906 edit
There's a neck slot item that lets you deal extra damage with CA called a Talon Amulet. For some reason it only has a +1 enhancement bonus version.
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>>5905
It made executioners roughly 20% cooler the moment I put everything together. Not having to pay for enchantments for all that stuff they carry is very, very nice.
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>>5903
True, but a monk probably isn't throwing very many daggers in the first place. The Quick Draw feat is always an option if you do go that route.

>>5905
If you're particularly attached to the rhythm blade parrying dagger, you can keep that. You won't be attacking with it anyway. But I wouldn't worry about the subtle dagger, instead, pick up a +2 ki focus of some sort, and change your accurate dagger feat to accurate ki focus, and just carry some mundane daggers. Make sure you have your neck slot item covered too, it's rather important to have one by this point.
>> No. 5911 edit
>>5909
That sounds like a good idea but the +2 Ki focus for Blurred Strike (since blurred strike ki focus is level 5) won't be until mid paragon or so I think. The rest is a good idea though.
>> No. 5912 edit
>>5911
Go with Rain of Hammers. Or just a plain Magic Ki Focus that you can enchant later.
>> No. 5913 edit
>>5912
Rain of hammers isn't that good. Granted, the one magic ki focus I've already chosen doesn't work much except for my daily, but it's for the daily power to defenses too.
>> No. 5915 edit
By the way, won't they sort of find out about Halvangh being a dragon with the prisoner we left for them at the Flaming Fist
>> No. 5916 edit
Hmm, another option for the time being could just be a shielding dagger as well. Though 840 gold for +1 AC (it stacks with my rhythm parrying dagger) seems a bit much. But that would also mean no neck slot item which is a bad idea. SO I guess I'll get some mundane daggers and do as Rin says. It's not like I'll be range attacking much with them anyway until at Paragon tier with Starflurry Blade or w/e.
>> No. 5917 edit
Huh, apparently there's gonna be a new monk build this month too.
>> No. 5918 edit
>>5917
wtf wizards, took long enough
>> No. 5921 edit
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With any luck, you'll fare better than these guys did.
>> No. 5923 edit
>>5921
Well that's completely different than what could happen to me. I have seen that already though.
>> No. 5925 edit
>anything of note?
>insert generic info
>> No. 5926 edit
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>>5925
Thelkra doesn't know more than that. You might, though.
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There aren't a whole lot of appealing weapon enchantments out there. Maybe I'll grab a Mage's Bastard Sword.

Come to think of it, Mage's [heavy blade/light blade] is pretty nice for anybody proficient with a dagger who wants a bigger, meaner weapon and can't find any good weapon enchantments. Or for somebody who just doesn't want to spend a feat on a proficiency for a weapon.
>> No. 5936 edit
>>5935
Do you even have an arcane power to expend for that item's power though
>> No. 5937 edit
>>5936
Nope, but that's not really the draw anyway.
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I'd like a post or two from those at the ducal palace before continuing.
>> No. 5942 edit
http://www.4shared.com/get/AB_CHV1R/404_CharThemes_Kara_Tur.html

Nerds, themes for you. Sohei is pretty bad except it has a Minor Action Encounter 1[W] damage attack, Hordeland Nomad has an amazing level 10 for mounted defenders due to going NOTHX on forced movement.
>> No. 5943 edit
>>5942
http://www.4shared.com/get/4okKXpkW/404_UA_Honor.html

And the Honour system in case people want it to be used etc.
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>>5951
New stuff here.
>> No. 5954 edit
I think the darkspiral aura proposal is actually a pretty good deal. A minimum amount addresses pretty much the only concern I had about it.
>> No. 5955 edit
>>5951
Implement attack as a MBA, huh. If a MBA-granting power uses [W] dice, would they be d8s instead?

Minimum value tiny etc.
>> No. 5956 edit
>>5955
I'm unfamiliar with a kind of MBA-granting power that would specifically refer to [W] dice.
>> No. 5957 edit
>>5956
idk about MBAs specifically, but there are charging powers that grant extra [W].
>> No. 5958 edit
just give melee training for free, ne
>> No. 5960 edit
I wish they'd nerfed Intelligent Blademaster too. D:
>> No. 5961 edit
>>5957
>>5958
I figured this would work better, since for example Imeplement Focus (Ki Focus) and the powers that improve the reach of your melee touch attacks work with this. I wasn't really intending to open up charge optimization or something for monks, just offering the ability to make a decent MBA.
>> No. 5962 edit
>>5961
So is this going to get nerfed when I am able to pick up melee training
>> No. 5963 edit
>>5962
I don't follow. I wasn't planning on taking it away or changing it once I gave it, unless it proves to be overpowered in some way I did not anticipate. You could skip Melee Training if you wanted.
>> No. 5964 edit
>>5963
Actually, nvm, no point in really taking Melee training with what you gave me now
>> No. 5965 edit
>>5964
I was about to say, I'm envious of you not needing to take a feat to have a workable MBA, and you're still going to take a feat for it?
>> No. 5966 edit
Next on the list is:
1. Look at Intelligent Blademaster as a free bonus feat
2. Consider what I want to do about backgrounds that let you base your HP on an ability other than Constitution (I hate them and how they're so much better than anything else for 90% of builds)
3. Write up new rules for Knowledge checks that will swap the difficulty level for powers and resist/vulnerabilities, and require different checks for monsters that have a certain origin but draw their powers from a different source (a divine caster with the Natural origin will require a Religion check to get hints as their full range of powers, for example).
>> No. 5967 edit
By the way, you should submit your ideas and even some of your homebrew skills/classes to Wizards
>> No. 5968 edit
Does Darkspiral minimum aura also reset to 0 after extended rest? RAW it would keep increasing infinitely.
>> No. 5969 edit
>>5968
Darkspiral already resets after extended rest in the original rule I believe
>> No. 5970 edit
>>5969
Hurf

"When an enemy under your Warlock's Curse is reduced to 0 or fewer hit points, add 1 to your Darkspiral Aura. At the end of the encounter or after 5 minutes (or when you take a short rest), your Darkspiral Aura resets to its minimum value. Your Darkspiral Aura's minimum value is equal to the number of encounters you have fought in which your Darkspiral Aura increased by at least 1. Your Darkspiral Aura has a starting value of 0, and resets to 0 whenever you take an extended rest."

Minimum value is equal to number of encounters fought in which the aura increased by at least 1. Fight 5 encounters, minimum is 5, and you start sixth encounter with 5.

Minimum value != starting value, under RAW this means that if you fought 100 battles in the adventure your minimum value is 100, just need to fight one encounter.
>> No. 5971 edit
>>5970
I'd say it's up to interpretation from the DM, as DM word is law anyway
>> No. 5972 edit
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Gensai blaster wizards have it pretty rough when it comes to feat selection.
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>>5970
>>5971
No, that's my mistake. I meant for it to reset with an extended rest.
>> No. 5975 edit
>>5966
These are good changes, I agree with all of them.
>> No. 5976 edit
TBH I liked the "get high on check, acquire monster sheet" business we had going.
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Are you guys done with the duke? Well, I'll give you a little more time to post anything else you wanna post, then send you out to meet with Sariel and Michael.
>> No. 5978 edit
I'm going to ask right now : Is the new theme that has a minor action attack as a feature legal or is it a no-go? Otherwise it looks amazing on a ranger.
>> No. 5979 edit
>freebie
what
Also, where are all of those themes appearing from? I wanna retrain guardian because no AC.
>> No. 5980 edit
May non-players post in this OOC thread as a source of speculation and amusement? Because I'm going to be watching with some interest if I may.
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>>5978
On the freebie, I'll think about it. I know cavaliers could use some help. As far as the theme goes, right now, I don't think I'm banning it. I'd like to see it myself first, though, so I need to track it down.

>>5980
Sure, go ahead. I'm flattered you'd want to~
>> No. 5982 edit
>>5980
omg tir na nog guy
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>>5981
Thank you very much. As for the Sohei, here's its features.
>> No. 5984 edit
>>5983
The benefits look quite solid, but it also involves rolling Sureiya into some deity or a religion, that kinda pulls me off.
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>>5984
Fair enough.
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Oh, right. Now I remember why I liked staffs on monks so much. Three words: Staff of Ruin. It adds damage to all of your attacks, not just melee (unlike Iron Armbands of Power), and it's much better than any Ki Focus enchant, and it saves you money.

Even if Staff of Ruin doesn't strike your fancy, there are a lot more staff enchants than ki focus enchants. You can also get pretty good defenses with a staff if you take Staff Fighting and Hafted Defense.
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>>5986
I made a blaster mage that used the item from the Gifts for the Queen set for some bonuses to hit and damage instead. I was counting on using an Ioun Stone of Intellect instead.
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>>5942
I wouldn't say the minor action attack is the only thing good about the Souhei. Those skill bonuses are in very useful skills, and a random bonus to saving throws against very bad conditions is always appreciated. The attack powers are terrible though, and the utility powers are okay (Sohei Clarity is almost as good as the level 10 Fighter Utility "Clearheaded," which is a Utility power that I think is a good choice).
>> No. 5989 edit
>>5981
see
>>5943
>>5942
for latest pdfs of honour system and the themes omg geez i already tracked them down
>> No. 5990 edit
>>5988
The level 5 benefit it's exactly the same as Guardian, but the encounter power is better for a coward like Sureiya etc.
>> No. 5991 edit
>>5986
Eh, I just never really liked the Staff thing and if I'm going for Starblade Flurry later anyway, I figure why not. Staff expertise isn't really that great for monks, staff fighting I don't think I'd even really use/get much (plus I already get the same sort of benefit defensively out of those two for just about the same amount of feats used up right now)
>> No. 5992 edit
>>5991
If you could somehow hold the staff in one hand it'd probably be much better. Reach 1 on all melee attacks is fairly nice.
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>>5989
I got them sometime after that post and before my most recent ones. For now, no honor system, but the souhei is fine.

>>5992
I think the reach property is only for weapon attacks, which the monk doesn't have naturally.

>>5991
That's fine. The primary benefit you'd get out of Staff fighting is making a defensive weapon, thus giving you a free +1 AC.

But yes, Staff of Ruin is the main draw for me. I just forgot to mention it before and thought I should. If you don't wanna use a staff though, that's fine.
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>>5990
>Obscure religious orders that are devoted to primal or ancestral spirits could train barbarians, druids, seekers, and wardens to become sohei.

Maybe you could work with that?
>> No. 5995 edit
>Sentinel
>Animal Master Theme
>Multiclass Wizard
>Arcane Familiar feat
>Take Summon powers
holy crap you can get an entire army of animals
>> No. 5996 edit
>>5995
>Hybrid Sentinel
>Hybrid Ranger
>Hybrid Talent: Beast Mastery
>Two wolves
>> No. 5997 edit
>>5994
Yeah, I noticed that part, but would I need to search on books for a proper "nature-ish" god? Or maybe pretend he also was member of a primal cult or something?
>> No. 5998 edit
>>5997
silvanus
>> No. 6000 edit
Deities with Wilderness Domain:

Corellon
Melora
Arawai (Eberron)
Balinor (Eberron)
Mielikki
Sheela Peryroyl
Silvanus
The Dark Six (Eberron)
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>>5997
The obscure religions may not be devoted to a god in particular, but rather ancestral spirits of nature. Those don't really have names.

If you're looking for nature gods, Silvanus is the greater god with the Nature domain, and the god Meilikki is associated with forests, and there are also other gods associated with various aspects of nature like Winter and Caves.
>> No. 6003 edit
Lili doesn't happen to have a way to magically deafen Myn to the conversation I'll have with the party later, will she
>> No. 6004 edit
>>6003
Actually I do. I have the Silence Ritual that wards a 3x3 space by imposing a -10 Perception penalty to those outside it.
>> No. 6005 edit
>>5997

In terms of backstory, I almost always go with the primal Nature cult; even in real life! More seriously though, Nature is *old* - older than some gods. Directing your rituals to the spirits within a certain area or primaeval things that cannot be easily understood by others seems more suited then taking a more cleric/paladin-y monoworshipped god. My two cents.

>>5982
Half-right!... I'm sorry for up and leaving, although I guess not having had a computer for some time is some excuse? I lose time, then feel terrible for having lost it, and then can't muster the energy to go back and check on something that's stagnated. I regret that terribly, but because of my situation do little to change it. Hopefully you won't dislike me too terribly because of that?

>>5981
Yay, thanks! I'll try to keep my natter down to a bare minimum! (Unless anyone wants to throw ideas around, in which case here and accounted for!)
>> No. 6006 edit
>>6005
i wasn't involved in that, a friend was


I don't think any of us mind if you chatter a lot here.
>> No. 6007 edit
>>6001
I think the prefer the hipster religion path better.
>> No. 6008 edit
>>6006
Even still - I have my linear notes for the campaign all written up and would've enjoyed giving it the attention it deserved. But! I'm glad you don't my talkyness!

>>6007
http://youtu.be/xIqGvu39muo
It may not be clear - but I approve.
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Oh god that is this??
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>>6013
New house rules. Sorry Astaroth, I'm not convinced you need Mounted Combat as a bonus feat. In any case, there is a theme for that now if you prefer that to your current choice.

Hide and Jyoji will need to make some adjustments to their characters. Sorry about this, but I've said in the past I don't like those backgrounds, and I decided this was a better solution than the other one I was planning.
>> No. 6015 edit
>>6014
Poor George, his HP is nerfed.
>> No. 6016 edit
also i guess this means i need a new feat to replace intelligent blademaster with, what take
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>>6015
Jyoji loses like 4 HP.
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>>6014
It's fine, though I don't think I'll take the theme. It's not very synergistic and the fluff doesn't really appeal to me.
>> No. 6019 edit
wtf why
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>>6019
I gave my reasoning.
>> No. 6021 edit
I, for one, welcome the new rules. I don't think losing the HP should be that big a deal to people and I agree that people who invest in Con should get some benefit over people.
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>>6021
If you compare it to other ability scores, the benefits of boosting Constitution are pretty few. Classes with Con-based attacks are rare, a lot of classes that use Con double with Str (which leaves two NADs low), and there is only one Con-based skill that doesn't get used a whole lot most of the time.

Taking away one of the few benefits of boosting Con with something like a background seems wrong to me.
>> No. 6024 edit
>>6020
They're sacrificing a better background slot for it, so I don't really see the issue, especially for those who have to invest stats somewhere else and either don't have room for con or much option for it. It's not like it's that huge of a boost
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>>6024
That's not a good argument, since most other background benefits are marginal compared to the benefit you receive from Auspicious Birth/Born Under a Bad Sign. There is very little as universally applicable as more HP.

If we compare background benefits to feats, then almost every other background benefit is about on the same level or weaker than a feat. While using your primary ability score for HP is pretty much always stronger than Toughness, and in most cases remains that way until Epic tier (where it becomes about equal).
>> No. 6026 edit
>>6024
Fun fact : There's an epic tier ring that lets you use charisma instead of constitution for determining healing surge amounts. With those backgrounds, constitution is completely unneeded for charisma characters unless it somehow comes up in skill checks or for feat prerequisites.
>> No. 6032 edit
so level 1 feat

Artificer MC: Can use one infusion per day, infusion does not recharge

Durable: +2 healing surges

Familiar: Either Arcane Wisp (sheds light in 2-10 squares, +2 Arcana/Nature, Active can null concealment penalties in 2 square range) or Coute Attendant (+2 to arcana, stow/retrieve item as free action, Active can grant combat advantage to me if turn starts within 2 squares of it)

Eladrin Soldier: Proficiency with all spears, +2 tiered damage to all attacks


I kinda like Eladrin Soldier most as extra damage can never hurt, but the Familiar is also fun for the RP value.

I'll probably end up picking Eladrin Soldier due to lazylord etc. If I go Familiar I'm more likely to grab Arcane Wisp due to Nature bonus and light meaning I don't necessarily need to cast the Light spell anymore, and getting dim or bright light in 10 squares is kinda neat for RP.
>> No. 6034 edit
>>6032
No unarmored agility?
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We just keep on going!
>>6037
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