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Gee, I wonder if this guy read W&W before drawing this.
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are you a red wizard
>> No. 38933 edit
looks more like final fantasy 1 classes mixed with some dragon warrior stuff to me
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Streaming Maru'!!: ~Jersey Girl~
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I don't know about you all, but I didn't like 4th Edition.

Or maybe it was my players' fault: they spent hours talking about combos.

I don't know if I will purchase 5th Edition. I think I will look for an AD&D DM... I never played AD&D before.

Someone recommends me AD&D?
>> No. 38937 edit
4th is fun and from what I heard, is more easy to learn than other versions.
5th will take some good time before it's actually playable, so who knows.
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>Luminous Arc: Eyes, translation up to chapter 20

I didn't even know about it till now. Man, I'm excited now. Time to hunt witches again.
>> No. 38939 edit
To play? Yes.

To DMing? I don't know. I liked more when I could give another kinds of powers and abilities for my monsters and villians...

And I'm nerd, I like to calculate skill points.
>> No. 38940 edit
You can still do that with 4e though. It's just that 4e depends on a lot of things and is more about combat as sport (tactics/tactical movement). Bah, too lazy to explain the whole thing. Just go check out parlor or limbo sometime or ask Rin some questions.
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>To DMing? I don't know. I liked more when I could give another kinds of powers and abilities for my monsters and villians...

I'd argue that this is more encouraged in 4E than in 3.5, where they had all those lists of spells and special abilities and made monsters fit into certain classes... 4E is much more open to creative monster design, in my opinion.
>> No. 38942 edit
obviously 4e is casual
glorious 3.5e master race
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Happy late Valentine's Day!
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Well, I for one think it's very cute~
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It's cute!
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what the, 53 ad clicks
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Easier? Yes, it is - in a certain way.

As mentioned earlier, enjoyed heavy calculations and spend time developing the monsters.

Now, surely, the time was minimized and it is easy to build an adventure in a few hours or minutes.

However, with the simplicity, some monsters have lost some of their racial abilities. Not all of Mind Flayers can use Suggestion or Planar Shift as a spell-like ability like in early editions.

And the dragons became huge and powerful enemies in combat, but no longer use arcane magic. (Unless the DM determines that Dragons can use Ritual Caster feat... but when I look, I still see a bit loss in versatility).

Honestly, I think that both enable and creativity. I managed to create numerous characters, spells, feats, character classes, prestige classes in 3.X. But I feel kind of stuck when I create the Fourth Edition. Of course, I was able to make interesting things.

But all I could do had focus on combat. When I give a new power to a NPC/Monster in 4E, I needed to think +X vs. For, Ref or Will; if pushes or pull squares; if makes him dazed, dominated, stunned; if the damage goes ongoing... I couldn't see if have enough room to get out of the model and create completely new.

However, it may just be my impression. After all, I felt very intimidated often by knowledge of the players, which was higher than mine. They said that they felt challenged, but it seemed they could do everything so easily.

I had fun DMing the 4E, but I had more fun playing. And to me, that's weird, because in all systems I had the pleasure of roleplaying, my fun was DMing, create something new beyond what has already been given.

I'm sorry for my bad English (I revised it a couple of times). And thanks for listening to the lamentations from a DM fellow.
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I dunno.
>> No. 38952 edit
why in the world would you want to play a game about slutty booby witches
>> No. 38953 edit
If anything it looks as if you just needed more time to get used to it. It's just natural to feel some resistance against change, especially with something so complex and full of rules as D&D. Or who knows, maybe 3.5 is just best suited to the way you play.
>> No. 38954 edit
Well, that was an interesting change rather than going to a class for a lecture. Ended up that our class went to a presentation for some comic creator, Scott Mccloud.
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I think it so. This is why I was thinking in look AD&D 2E. I wanted to see the famous old-school mood, so I could to incorporate the best of it in my games.

Someone already read Hinamizawa Teiryuujo?
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This is because 4E shifts the focus on monsters to the essentials. 4E holds the opinion that abilities that a monster will probably never use in actual play are extraneous and waste design space and time. Now, that's not to say no monsters have non-combat abilities--the succubus, for example, still has the ability to change shape to a specific humanoid. Dragons no longer "cast arcane magic," but it's more like instead of giving the red dragon a list of fire spells, they gave it "Immolate Foe," a power that deals a lot of fire damage. The green dragon no longer has charm spells, but it does have Luring Glare and Cunning Glance.

It's funny, because in a lot of ways, the shift from DnD 3.5 to 4E is similar to the shift from Civilization 4 to Civilization 5, but I have basically the opposite opinions of both shifts. But I can explain why. I thought Civ4 was a very tightly-designed game with good reasons for just about every aspect of it. It functioned very well as a whole, in that it encouraged multiple strategies as effective. While there were obviously balance concerns, they weren't unplayable. You could make up the difference with tactical skill or a bit of luck. Civ5 changed the system from the ground up, and unlike Civ4, I do not think it encourages a very fun kind of gaming experience. It feels like there are fewer effective options, and the balance concerns were much larger. Most of all, there are just too many turns in Civ5 where I just hit enter and do nothing. As I'm sure most people who have played Civ4 multiplayer with me are aware, I don't do that very much in Civ4~

On the other hand, while I did have a lot of fun playing DnD 3.5, I think it's a shoddily designed system. There are HUGE balance concerns, with the obvious ones about fighters sucking horribly past the fist few levels (and a druid's animal companion being about 80% as effective as a fighter at the first level), to the even more obvious ones of full casters possessing world-ending spells by epic level ( http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0639.html ). If you actually READ the rules, it's like they were schizophrenic when writing them. They couldn't decide if they wanted to try and simulate "reality" or create a good game system. So they tried to do both and it fails badly all too often. Compare the absurdly complicated rules for grappling to the frustratingly vague rules for mind control, for example. DnD 4E changed all that. Now it focuses much more on DnD as a system used for running games. I think this change was for the better. There was some cost, though, and I admit that I think the one thing that I miss from 3.5 was the cool things spellcasters could do with the right spells outside of combat. I understand why they had to be cut or marginalized, however; for balance concerns. It's not very encouraging if you're a beast in combat, but the other guy is a beast in combat AND can solve any social situation with the right spell. It makes you feel like you picked the wrong class. Still, while I won't call 4E the perfect system (far from it), I think it's improved greatly from 3.5.
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I agree. But they became so "essential" in mechanics and I couldn't develop them further. For example, I want to do a Mind Flayer Level 28 Solo Controller with Psion Powers AND benefit him feats. It will be a bit hard. It is not a Herculean task, but it's bitter. I have to think him as using Feats AND Powers - I have to use the Character Builder (Offline) and Adventure Tools at same time and calculate every aspect. It became even more painful when I give to this Kobold magical items. I have to recalculate the item bonus and probably, untyped bonus, items powers... it will be a hard and long task, surprisingly longer than I had in 3.X.

I never played Civilization before. I'm pretty dumb managing cities, resources (Like in Age of Empires' series or Sim City' series). But if I understand your analogy, Civ 4 needed you to active exploits and manage resources. Civ 5 will do it for you automatically, so you will just say to game what you do want to build next. Am I correct?

About 3.X, he's REALLY not balanced. In a few levels, a DM WILL lost the control of the Game... a Fighter will be UnderUsed/NeverUsed. A Wizard will probably dominate the final levels. But, personally, I never had problems with the balance in 3.X. Also because my focus was not combat, but I made ​​sure to change every monster just to suit the skills of my players. And here it is my problem with 4E. I can't change enough the monsters to be a real challenge. I could use Over 9000 Hit Points... the battle would be longer, not challenging. If I used a "+Over 9000 vs Will" Powers, I would kill them in a few rounds and it wouldn't be a challenge, but a certain defeat. In 3.X, I could manage it somehow. 3.X it isn't balanced, but I could restructure the patterns of monsters without problems. I can't do it easily at 4E.

But it may be my particular difficulty. Knowing little of the structure of the game, I just had as guide the 4E forums. Perhaps knowing more 3.X, it is easier for me to create my own homebrew classes, spells, psionics powers, feats and so on.
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>One of the [dwarves] just reported a murder. Apparently my farmer got killed. Nobody knows who did it. Well, I do. He got the shit beat out of him by the carpenter when he threw a tantrum. I wonder if dwarves would get pissed by me convicting him because there isn't any "evidence".

>EDIT: Sheriff responded by killing the carpenter. Why don't they ever punish vampires like this?

>EDIT 2: And apparently the sheriff killing the carpenter was illegal. I can't afford any more drama though so I just pinned the murder on a giant moon snail. Mystery solved

>EDIT 3: Convicting the corpse of a long dead giant snail didn't go over well. Now almost all of my dwarves are pissed off and miserable. The sludge rain making them vomit everywhere isn't helping. Dwarf Fortress!
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How was your day?
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I see. I know how that can be. But if I were you, I wouldn't ignore the situation. Regardless, I hope tomorrow goes by a little easier.
>> No. 38964 edit
It has been great, I had some problems with the car but it has been cool so far.
Oh you.
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>> No. 38966 edit
ganbare ne
>> No. 38967 edit

yokatta ne
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Diem carpe'd, huh? Well done. I only wish my days could go so smoothly.
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Good times.

By the way, let's recreate the old /seacats/ by compiling screencaps we all have. Between us, we should be able to make all of it.
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No? Fine. You guys suck.
>> No. 38972 edit
;_; Gogo Imouto where are you?
>> No. 38973 edit
I have no such things.
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Right here chief.
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A-are you really gogo?
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W-who else are you saying I would be!?
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Mean while in reality. . .
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Didn't Ryu-sama teach you people anything? The truth doesn't matter. What matters is what you believe.

All you need to do is believe in me, and we'll have lots of fun together. Discard your anti-magic toxin. Come. Let's play a game of pretend.

But for us... that game will be real, okay?
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Of course that is Gogo. Just like how I am the truest /seacats/ of all time and history.
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Uwaaah. It's really Luci-nee, ne.
>> No. 38982 edit
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Of course. Only perfection can be perfect.
Just like Gogo can only be Gogo.
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And only fun things can be fun!
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You know Gogo isn't here right now , right?

It's impossible for you to be here! You're not real! You're not real!
>> No. 38985 edit
;_; give up to the illusion?
or challengue the witch?~~~~~
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Wrong, that's wrong. I can confirm it's her.
>> No. 38987 edit
.........................I dont know what to think now... ;_;
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At last the fake muffin's poison wore off!
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OOOHHH I am one yet many....
>> No. 38990 edit
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Loosey Furr has long since stopped visiting seacats to pursue a career as real dutch wife and ten dollar lewd person, it is impossible for the real Loosey Furr to be here.
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>> No. 38993 edit
If it's true have her come on MSN and prove it's her, ne
>> No. 38994 edit
I see you guys are having fun huh? Well don't worry, I don't even need to use the eyes to understand what's happening here.
Oh boy, that just made my day.
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You think I take orders from you?
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It's .
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>This whole thread

I am one yet many.
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I think you'd be surprised. You might really need the eyes.
>> No. 38999 edit
Just ignore it. I thought he had grown out of this. Guess that's stupid to expect of him.
>> No. 39000 edit
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Geez guys, it's Lambda.
>> No. 39001 edit
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I see......
>> No. 39003 edit
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...one person can't create a world!
>> No. 39004 edit
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Don't you cry. You despicable human, filled to the brim with toxin.
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You don't exist

This is a lie!

This is all a lie!

>> No. 39009 edit
Gogo wouldn't speak harsh to me,Since I am her Onii-chan, Lion
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P-people can change! An oniichan wouldn't be so cruel as to suspect his poor imouto of not being who she says she is. He would happily surrender to magic.

You lying humans can't speak the truth.
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Just ignore it, Lion, Chen.
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Yes, ignore anything that seems strange. It's better to stop thinking. It's just your imagination, isn't it...?
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I lb you choco
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Chen is masochistic(?).
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>> No. 39016 edit
It's less ignoring something that seems strange, and more ignoring someone pretending to be someone I know.
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Twisting people's words is the only pleasure in this world.
>> No. 39018 edit
Anyways, that's enough.
I miss the times when Gogo was around, so please don't make fun of this.
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That sprite!
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How touching.
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But where?
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What about it?
>> No. 39023 edit
No, seriously.
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Nothing, I was just surprised to see it, is all.
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I stopped, didn't I?
>> No. 39026 edit
thank you
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So that was it? How boring.

Our conversation was much more interesting my head.
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Our conversation? I'm sorry, I only see a single man discussing with himself about illusions.
But maybe that's the true nature of this place.
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Wait , we're all men!?
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If you miss a person who disappeared from a place, there's no need to wait around there for them. It's not like they dropped of the face of the internet.

That would be horrible. Akin to them dying, if we all only exist there.
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notice how only sprites from kinjo's fan game are being used
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And what are you supposed to gain from noticing that?
>> No. 39033 edit
I'm not saying I lost all contact with her, but she doesn't act the same as before, sometimes I worry too much.
Pfft, and he didn't made a lot of them.
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So you didn't even lose contact with them. You're just bothered by the fact that people change?

Don't take it out on me, pal.
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If you're so worried , try to save her yourself!
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