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Well, I want something explained since its never even touched at and thus i think not noticed.

We all saw Battler escaping the island with Beatrice in the magic ending of EP8, we also see battler being found by ikuko later on and becoming tohya and after some years meeting Ange which basically confirms he really did escape the island and somehow drowned and survived, thats fine.
But its HEAVLY SHOWN throughout the whole series that Battler is afraid of boats and planes, and gets very seasick. so how does that work with the scene of battler going out on the boat in the magic ending? I can only assume thats just one more unrelliable narration. Or perhaps you can assume since battler is shown to calm down in slow moving boats, the boat wich he rides with beato is also moving slowly, what do you think guys?
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You'll notice in Episode 1 that Battler can handle boats when they're going at lower speed. This is a tiny motorboat. I don't imagine it goes that fast.
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It could also be that since EP1 and such were all written by Tohya after the real events took place, Battler's fear of boats was added in as references to his own drowning experience from when he escaped the island.
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It has been 1000 years, but I thought Ep1 and 2 were yasu.
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Yasu was on the boat too, wasn't she?

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I was wondering what Kyrie stated about her pregnancy in the Japanese VN. In the translation it is miscarriage. The anime and the manga use stillborn.
I disregarded the anime for a long time, but it seems the manga changed this fact.
Does someone know about it?
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I imagine its simply the same term translated differently. Since which ever one it was doesn't change anything really.
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Do You think so? They are not the same things. The baby swap would be very weird if Asumu had a miscarriage.
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I guess the correct term is stillborn. If I'm not mistaken, Asumu and Kyrie were going to give birth around the same time. Prior to 20 weeks of gestation, the death of the fetus is called miscarriage, otherwise it's called stillbirth.

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This board and chan are pure cancer.

You are a bunch of deluded faggots that keep disguising the bullshit you just came up with as "truths" and putting it above what the work says. You keep jerking eachother off. You cannot think outside the fandom and the "solution" boxes. You all look disabled to me.

You all disgusting namefags and tripfags keep avoiding discussing umineko with actual clues, you keep pushing chiru's nonsense crap on when someone else talks about something that has nothing to do with whatever the crap EP8 came up with, you keep deluding yourselves to think solving the mystery is not important, or even you are actually reaching some kind of truth. When someone else comes and proposes an alternative, you all shut them up with your mass-thinking. You cannot stand the idea someone else coming up with something that could be right and you didn't think of it before, and automatically think they are wrong.

None of you give a single damn about solving or descovering anything. All of you care is to look cool with your name and animu OC, and pass as "great thinkers and detectives". Bullshit. You are all pathetic no-ones in an imageboard discussing a fucking doujin novel for years and years while being totally unable to reach an actual conclusion. Thats what I call losing your time for good. It's really needed to find stronger words than the simple "incompetent" to describe you in red.

You don't even deserve to be called "goats". Keep haunting this logic error of debate forever, never find the way out of this shithole.
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Hello, it is me gugmt again :)

First i would like to thank for all those quick replies you goats give me, i am very happy to have found this website

I would like to use this thread as a gathering of all the small details and "between the lines" and not obvious interpretations during the story you`ve managed to learn, it can be anything like numbers and names interpretations or even magic scenes interpretations, i`ll give some i remember for now

1) One I am very fond of comes from EP2, the second twilight.

Kanon follows the shocked Jessica to her room and tries to help her to calm down when she starts to have an asthma attack. He helps her and she says she wants to be alone, then comes a romantic scene in which he basically answers he will never let her alone and will be waiting outside in case she needs him. He waits outside of the room and Beatrice appears and start saying crap so he enters the room in order to save jessica.

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Hello my dear seagull!

I was very happy to read this post. Explained many holes in the story for me, like about the episode of Kanon and Jessica in the second twilight.

About the names,*it's a good explanation and makes a lot of sense. I want to see the opinion of anyone else giving a different view of what you said.

Thank you for posting here, you were the first post I read on this website, and enlightened me so much ...

Thanks ;)

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I agree with most of No. 4.
I would add the referenced developement of Sayo's self-discovery after Beato the elder showed up. I say Chick-Beato is a mix between Beatrice of Yasu and Cage Beatrice.

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Hello, my first post here.
Here are some thoughts I made after I finished EP6 (I was aware of Shkannon, but I was more into Rosatrice at this time). After the manga finished more questions/thoughts arised.

1) Even if Erika was a corpse in the first 4 games, how it came that she was never "revived"?

2)I thought Erika was one of Sayo's personas. Why?
name: Beatrice (B)e(a)ri[c=k][e=a]; a nod to Beatrice?
appearance: flat chested girl; a nod to Sayo's true sex
Roses in the hair; like Beatrice
age: about Jessica's
introduction: by the servants, of course
interest: mystery; like Sayo+Battler
Love duel: she indirectly particapted in it and duelled
hates: denial (of her theories); in contrast to Beatrice

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1). Not sure what you mean, she was created by Bern and was able to take part in the game thanks to confirmation that Kinzo was dead.
2). That would be denied by the fact they are seen together with Shannon and or Kanon at seperate times.
3). Erika was likely not an actual person in 1998, just a character to represent the witch hunters.
4). I don't remember the facts exactly, but I imagine that since she had no idea how her 'perfect' logic error was smashed caused her to focus more on that then anything else.
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1) I know that Bern would/could place her on the game board. What I'm talking about is the "executed" tip in the 6th game. Did Bern needed a free place and a vessel to place "herself" on the gameboard? But by going with this argument nobody in the story argued that the man from 19 years ago who's an alternate version of Sayo.
IIRC pieces from alternate fragments weren't revived normally. So, that makes Erika (as a character) not originally created by Bern?

2) Well, I don't have the VN at hand now. Yeah the manga showed they were seen together. Mmh I have to search for pages where Erika see Kanon/Shannon. EP6 don't count if Erika hasn't the detective authority.
3) I know she represents witches of truth like how it is showed in the trick ending. But this is new to me. Interesting.
4) It fits to her. But in EP6 she liked to trick Battler by not telling him her moves. At the end losing the duel is what the story demanded.

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